Ten Good Reasons Women Shouldn't Be Rabbas

[onionsoupmix]

1. Rabbas go to shul and talk about divrei torah. Real Jewish women go to shul and talk about who really should not be wearing such a tight dress and who should have been married by now if it wasn't for how picky she is.

2. Rabbas visit the sick. Real Jewish women say a kapitel tehillim and tell you to check your mezzuzos. Bikkur Cholim is just not

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Adam gaddam

[anonymous]

I hear that shomrie hazonos will open a gemach in the name of Adam gaddam the american sl qada guy.

leto

[ext_225297]

In traditional Judaism a rav has no authority except to explain the halacha. There is a difference. For instance if we go by the gemara in Sanhedrin a ger needs three judges to be legitimate. But since today there is no real semicha no ger is legitimate. However nowadays rabbis depend on the gemera in avoda zara that gerut is not mishpat and therefore does not need real judges. This is an example of how the semicha we have today is a sham. What we should do is go back to how things were before this sham semicha was invented. We had people that the community leaders had decided were to be their leader in spiritual affairs and he would not need a sham semicha to back him up. That leader was often the best student in some yeshiva. This was how the Jews of Poland had been choosing their rabbis from the very beginning of Jewish settlement in Poland the in fact it was the guarantee of this type of charter that convinced Jews to settle in Poland. Almost all the various charters granted to Jews at the beginning of Polish settlement guarantee

[ryestar]

lovely post. We have plenty of both types in our community.

Ryan

Rabbas don't

[ext_227187]

The worst thing that could ever happen to any supposedly disadvantaged group is to gain power.
Look at all the example over the last few decades.
Once upon a time women wanted access to men's clubs. Now they demand women-only clubs, the exact type of thing they once fought against.
Once minorities fought against discriminating quotas in schools and jobs. Now they demand discriminating quotas just like those except that this time they're the advantaged group.
Once upon a time blacks demanded an end to race-based schools. Now they demand them as a means for teaching their culture.
As long as women don't become rabbis, they can still pretend that they have some kind of moral superiority over men and that they'd do such a better job than those corrupt, stale males. And once they become rabbis, it'll take a few years and they'll be just as bad. Why ruin their innocence that way?

Re: Rabbas don't

[onionsoupmix]

Is your post a joke? You really think that the worst thing for a disenfranchised group is to gain power? Is that true for Jewish groups who were discriminated against as well?

Re: Rabbas don't

[ext_227187]

It's part tongue-in-cheek and part valid observation. No, I don't think a disadvantaged group should remain that way to preserve its "moral purity". However, it is a fact of recent history that most previously disadvantaged groups, having achieved power, become as intolerance and corrupt as their previous oppressors. Therefore, I don't think that rabbas/maharats/whatevers will result in an improvement or enhancement to Judaism. They'll just become what they're trying to change.

Re: Rabbas don't

[onionsoupmix]

Ok, I guess I disagree with just about everything you've said. I do not think that black people or women have become as corrupt as their previous oppressors. You think the Obama administration is just as corrupt as the KKK? Really?

Semantics

[shevh]

The stupidest part of this whole thing is that he didn't make any concessions except the title-- Ok, I won't call them "Rabbah" I'll call them "Maharat." They're still going to have the exact same role and position in the synagogue. So everyone is so hysterical over the fact that this woman is one letter away from being a Rabbi, but not about the substance of the thing... What's in a name? If a Rabbi were not a Rabbi, would people not remain as sexist?

Re: Semantics

[onionsoupmix]

I think that is the most interesting part of it. It is as if by giving her a different title, tradition still remains intact, regardless of what she actually does.

To some extent, it certainly reflects the chauvenistic and intimidated sentiments of some frum groups, i.e., she can't have the same name as our leaders b/c that would mean she is our equal.

On the other hand, this episode can be seen as a useful loophole for women trying to get a foothold in these seemingly locked hierarchies. It seems pretty simple actually- just give them a different title and see what happens. Can women be witnesses in a beis din if we call them something else, like Assistant Witness instead of Witness? Can she read from the torah if she is not called a baal koreh but something different like Ritual Chanter?