Part of my problem with off screen life altering events is that we can't experience them with the characters and see how it changes them. We didn't see Eleanor's trial and only saw her imprisoned when Rogers went to get her, so the change in Eleanor from S1-2 to S3 onwards just felt too drastic, without being able to see it for ourselves.
i'm going to need starz to release a director's cut of the entire series with the extended versions of every episode, because i feel like eleanor would be so much better served as a character if all the little tidbits had been left in the episodes. i'm sure every character would, actually. i've noticed so many promo stills from scenes we never saw but seem relatively important, if not wish-fulfillment-y (max and flint together in a scene in s4).
i love hannah and i hope we see lots more of her soon. she always has great insight into her character and never passes up an opportunity to heap some praise on her fellow women cast mates, whose acting never gets the attention it deserves imo (shouts to JPK!!!)
as other ppl mentioned, I think - just like in-universe - Eleanor's greatest tragedy is that she was constantly teetering on the edge of greatness
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Yeah, it really sucks that we didn't get to see a lot of what informed her character, because it would have really helped to understand her actions in the first and second seasons.
One thing I wonder about, she says Vane idealised her and Max saw her for who she truly was, does that ring slightly false to anyone else? Maybe Max saw the best version of her, the version she could have been if life hadn't done what it did to her early on, but I don't believe that Max saw Eleanor for who she had become by the time of the show. Her reaction to Eleanor refusing her offer made it seem like she was totally blindsided, when it seemed fairly clear even then that Eleanor was never going to be satisfied with that. By contrast, Vane is hurt by her betrayal because he had hoped her treachery would never extend to him, but he's not really that surprised, and is willing to have her back anyway (and has had her back quite happily after she publicly turned on him once before). The whole 'you take what you want, I'll take what I want, and we'll both
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it rings false to me too. i've always maintained that max and vane both projected onto eleanor a fair bit and expected things from her that she clearly wasn't willing to give, or really required to (though in both cases, when she chose prosperity over their feelings/well-being, it seemed cruel to the viewers who felt more connected to vane and max respectively). all of eleanor's partners haven't synced up exactly right with her or fully understood her motivations imo, though i do think max understood eleanor the best by the end of the show as evidenced by her final appeal to anne in 4x08. vane never got her at all. rogers even less so despite eleanor wanting him to be her perfect match.
lmao please give us more of this idelle/eleanor theory
though in both cases, when she chose prosperity over their feelings/well-being, it seemed cruel to the viewers who felt more connected to vane and max respectively
IDK, admittedly I like both Max and Vane, but to me her betrayals of both of them were cruel, there's no way around that. In both cases, they were trying to protect her at risk to their own lives (Max admittedly doing it without Eleanor's knowledge, but with Vane she actually asked him to get into that very precarious position for her benefit), and in both cases she turned her back without hesitation when things changed, leaving them to what she knows will likely be painful deaths, without ever appearing to consider whether there might be a third way (and in both cases there would be, but she would have to pay). On this rewatch I actually noticed something, in the moments when Eleanor is persuading Abigail to leave with her: Abigail is confused, because Vane promised her that if she did as she was told and her father paid, she wouldn't be harmed. Eleanor says something
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IA 100%.
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i'm going to need starz to release a director's cut of the entire series with the extended versions of every episode, because i feel like eleanor would be so much better served as a character if all the little tidbits had been left in the episodes. i'm sure every character would, actually. i've noticed so many promo stills from scenes we never saw but seem relatively important, if not wish-fulfillment-y (max and flint together in a scene in s4).
i love hannah and i hope we see lots more of her soon. she always has great insight into her character and never passes up an opportunity to heap some praise on her fellow women cast mates, whose acting never gets the attention it deserves imo (shouts to JPK!!!)
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One thing I wonder about, she says Vane idealised her and Max saw her for who she truly was, does that ring slightly false to anyone else? Maybe Max saw the best version of her, the version she could have been if life hadn't done what it did to her early on, but I don't believe that Max saw Eleanor for who she had become by the time of the show. Her reaction to Eleanor refusing her offer made it seem like she was totally blindsided, when it seemed fairly clear even then that Eleanor was never going to be satisfied with that. By contrast, Vane is hurt by her betrayal because he had hoped her treachery would never extend to him, but he's not really that surprised, and is willing to have her back anyway (and has had her back quite happily after she publicly turned on him once before). The whole 'you take what you want, I'll take what I want, and we'll both ( ... )
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lmao please give us more of this idelle/eleanor theory
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IDK, admittedly I like both Max and Vane, but to me her betrayals of both of them were cruel, there's no way around that. In both cases, they were trying to protect her at risk to their own lives (Max admittedly doing it without Eleanor's knowledge, but with Vane she actually asked him to get into that very precarious position for her benefit), and in both cases she turned her back without hesitation when things changed, leaving them to what she knows will likely be painful deaths, without ever appearing to consider whether there might be a third way (and in both cases there would be, but she would have to pay). On this rewatch I actually noticed something, in the moments when Eleanor is persuading Abigail to leave with her: Abigail is confused, because Vane promised her that if she did as she was told and her father paid, she wouldn't be harmed. Eleanor says something ( ... )
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oh my god i can't wait to hear her talk about the best ot3 of the century!
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