As much as what you did was a great betraying of everyone's trust, now's the time for you to make amends and to prove to everyone you're going to do the right thing
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DO YOU REALLY think he'll give back one penny that people spent on him?! GET A CLUE! He took people for hundreds of thousands of dollars not to mention their time and effort. How do you repay THAT? Tell me.
I honestly think that your "hundred of thousands" of dollars is a way exaggerated figure and would really like to know where you get your figures from. I do believe a plane ticket goes to about 2K$CDN from Europe to the USofAs, and if 8K$CDN was spent during the 16 days he was in the US, then he really went ALL OUT. I mean, hell, I can hardly think of a way to spent 2K$ a day on experiences. After all, there is only so many hours in a day. Your "hundreds of thousands of dollars" would mean he spent upwards 10K$/day. Somehow, I can't think of ANYTHING besides a new car a day that could be that expensive.
And even if it was 15K$, how do you repay people that money? One. Person. At. A. Time. If some people can spend that much money on furry art, there's no way someone can't repay debt of the same amount within a decent amount of time.
So, again, do show me where you get your 100,000+$ figure. Because I doubt that it's a number that's even REMOTELY close to the actual figures. Do it. I dare you. Prove me wrong.
I think it's very brave of you to admit what's happened, and I respect you for it. I believe many furs here will not only forgive you, but probably look at you in a new light for having the guts to admit what happened.
I followed your story from the beginning, and in all honesty, I would be lying if I said I hadn't done something similar in my life at some time.
Seriously.. Grats, I'm very happy for you for admitting the truth, and even more happy your alive ^.~
nods we concede you in all points really. He fucked up so many people with such a shit.
Let's only hope that we learned something from it and that we all are not unfair against people who really are that sick. Thats maybe the point that hurt us most... He fucked up guys who helped him and he even more fucked up people who really are sick :(
It's horrible to see someone is able to do something like that. At some point he should have noticed what he is doing and he didn't even have the balls to say "stop".
He owned up because he was caught. I have to emphasize that.
Guys, I've seen a good handful smile and forgive, just like that. Let me ask you a few questions.
1. If Num8 does not pay the money back, do you forgive him? And if so, why? Is he truly making amends? 2. If the end consequence of this is to smile and forgive, do you not worry about enabling either him or someone else into doing the very same thing: seeking pity (and money) until caught and then talking about how much life sucks? 3. Do you not feel a healthier answer would be to steer him toward professional help rather than just giving him a hug? He is talking about suicide, after all.
We need to recognize that there is a BIG difference between compassion and enabling, and I fear some of us are doing the second. I'd much rather the message is that people will be there for him AFTER he seeks professional help and pays back the money.
Help him to be responsible. Don't make it too easy to just walk back into good graces. Forgiveness should be EARNED.
It's refreshing to see someone talk some sense here.
It's nice that the community is so supportive, but it's easy to forgive something that you lost nothing in. I see a lot of people welcoming him back with open arms. How much did they contribute?
There is naive, and then there are furries.
When we see the money getting paid back, when we see you turning your life around, and acting with integrity for an extended period of time, only then will any intelligent people really start thinking about forgiveness.
Otherwise you'd all deserve what you get if he just turned around and duped you again. God knows you're ripe for the picking with that kind of "oh whatever!" mentality. I think I pity you people as much as I pity num8. You're in for a hard life if you're THAT easy to take advantage of.
seeing how riche is the fandom in kindness and meeting all kind of awesome people is way worse my pain. But not even close to how I hurted people. Not worth it for that.
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DO YOU REALLY think he'll give back one penny that people spent on him?! GET A CLUE! He took people for hundreds of thousands of dollars not to mention their time and effort. How do you repay THAT? Tell me.
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and the amount is about 5000$
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I mean, hell, I can hardly think of a way to spent 2K$ a day on experiences. After all, there is only so many hours in a day. Your "hundreds of thousands of dollars" would mean he spent upwards 10K$/day. Somehow, I can't think of ANYTHING besides a new car a day that could be that expensive.
And even if it was 15K$, how do you repay people that money?
One. Person. At. A. Time.
If some people can spend that much money on furry art, there's no way someone can't repay debt of the same amount within a decent amount of time.
So, again, do show me where you get your 100,000+$ figure. Because I doubt that it's a number that's even REMOTELY close to the actual figures.
Do it. I dare you. Prove me wrong.
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I think it's very brave of you to admit what's happened, and I respect you for it. I believe many furs here will not only forgive you, but probably look at you in a new light for having the guts to admit what happened.
I followed your story from the beginning, and in all honesty, I would be lying if I said I hadn't done something similar in my life at some time.
Seriously.. Grats, I'm very happy for you for admitting the truth, and even more happy your alive ^.~
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He fucked up so many people with such a shit.
Let's only hope that we learned something from it and
that we all are not unfair against people who really are that sick.
Thats maybe the point that hurt us most... He fucked up guys who helped him and he even more fucked up people who really are sick :(
It's horrible to see someone is able to do something like that. At some point he should have noticed what he is doing and he didn't even have the balls to say "stop".
*shakes head* oh my...
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Guys, I've seen a good handful smile and forgive, just like that. Let me ask you a few questions.
1. If Num8 does not pay the money back, do you forgive him? And if so, why? Is he truly making amends?
2. If the end consequence of this is to smile and forgive, do you not worry about enabling either him or someone else into doing the very same thing: seeking pity (and money) until caught and then talking about how much life sucks?
3. Do you not feel a healthier answer would be to steer him toward professional help rather than just giving him a hug? He is talking about suicide, after all.
We need to recognize that there is a BIG difference between compassion and enabling, and I fear some of us are doing the second. I'd much rather the message is that people will be there for him AFTER he seeks professional help and pays back the money.
Help him to be responsible. Don't make it too easy to just walk back into good graces. Forgiveness should be EARNED.
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It's nice that the community is so supportive, but it's easy to forgive something that you lost nothing in. I see a lot of people welcoming him back with open arms. How much did they contribute?
There is naive, and then there are furries.
When we see the money getting paid back, when we see you turning your life around, and acting with integrity for an extended period of time, only then will any intelligent people really start thinking about forgiveness.
Otherwise you'd all deserve what you get if he just turned around and duped you again. God knows you're ripe for the picking with that kind of "oh whatever!" mentality. I think I pity you people as much as I pity num8. You're in for a hard life if you're THAT easy to take advantage of.
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But not even close to how I hurted people. Not worth it for that.
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I'm just glad your still here *hugs*
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then all i can say is show you wish to mend the tear your mistake has created.
not much more you can do.
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