I think that their relationship, such as it is, is less healthy than that of Ioseb Jugashvili and Nadzheya Alliuevya (his second wife).
I see it as manipulation first and foremost, unlike Ioseb Jugashvili, the Joker has seldom, if ever even given a hint that he gives a shit about anyone except Bats (and I think Batman might in some ways not want that kind of attention and in another way I think it's a Hooded Justice-Captain Metropolis thing).
I think Harley, the poor girl she is, likely forgave him rather quickly, she doesn't seem mentally balanced enough to recognize that her first impression was the right one.
And I think it went to what it was, because as I said, I believe it was manipulation. Stalin showed far more compassion to his wife than what I've seen of the Joker and Harleen Quinzell.
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I actually agree with you that it is one of the sickest things he has ever done; but it's made all the more sick because it's genuine. He really wants her back and really wants her better. That in itself is what makes it so utterly horrible - that emotion for him is that selfish and that manipulative, it's all about him.
Bizarrely, this is also what gives it its edge of truly sick romance. He just can't let her go. And Harley - she only needs to be made aware of that to leap right back in.
Eh. You're perfectly entitled to that opinion. For me, it's way too boring TBH - one of the things I've always loved about Joker and Harley, whether together or separate, is their psychological complexity.
I think it was a 'joke'. To him it seems everything has a punchline and in this case it's her forgiving him for doing something rather unforgivable for nothing more than a bit of paper and a dead plant. No manipulative per say, just 'funny'.
See? There's another interpretation and one that could definitely fit again.
it's her forgiving him for doing something rather unforgivable for nothing more than a bit of paper and a dead plant. I love that image: nothing more than a bit of paper and a dead plant. And yet, so many men IRL use that to worm their way back into the hearts of their women if they've been put in the doghouse. See, I tend to think Harley and Joker parody relationships, dysfunctional or otherwise. So this -- could be what he finds funny -- a sick parody.
I agree. When I look at the GN as a whole, Harley collaborates on a heinous plan with the Joker. So for someone as narcissistic as him to allow her to collaborate with him, it becomes more clear (to me anyways) that he's not JUST using her.
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I see it as manipulation first and foremost, unlike Ioseb Jugashvili, the Joker has seldom, if ever even given a hint that he gives a shit about anyone except Bats (and I think Batman might in some ways not want that kind of attention and in another way I think it's a Hooded Justice-Captain Metropolis thing).
I think Harley, the poor girl she is, likely forgave him rather quickly, she doesn't seem mentally balanced enough to recognize that her first impression was the right one.
And I think it went to what it was, because as I said, I believe it was manipulation. Stalin showed far more compassion to his wife than what I've seen of the Joker and Harleen Quinzell.
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Bizarrely, this is also what gives it its edge of truly sick romance. He just can't let her go. And Harley - she only needs to be made aware of that to leap right back in.
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But to each their own!
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it's her forgiving him for doing something rather unforgivable for nothing more than a bit of paper and a dead plant.
I love that image: nothing more than a bit of paper and a dead plant. And yet, so many men IRL use that to worm their way back into the hearts of their women if they've been put in the doghouse. See, I tend to think Harley and Joker parody relationships, dysfunctional or otherwise. So this -- could be what he finds funny -- a sick parody.
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