navigation strip

[burr86]

I know a lot of the people here don't like the navigation strip and have specifically, consciously chosen not to enable it. We're going to be turning it on retroactively for users who (a) joined before it was on by default, (b) don't have either of the options set, (c) haven't turned off the nav strip cprod

Comments

[ex_uniquewo]

Okay, let me get this straight. Even if we have chosen not to enable it in our settings, you're going to turn it on. In other words, override our settings? So we actually have to turn it off - for the first time or again - either by going to the didyouknow page or going to the settings page again (I'm not sure the latter is going to work BTW).

[burr86]

Yes, unfortunately, because there's no way for us to distinguish between "chose not to turn it on" and "didn't decide one way or the other".

If you turn it off at didyouknow, then the nav strip setting will *not* be turned on for your account at all. If you don't turn it off there, then it'll be turned on for your account, and then you can turn it off at the settings page. Then, starting whenever this change happens, we'll actually record that you set it to "off" to make sure you don't get it turned on again by accident.

[ex_uniquewo]

I don't particularly care because I have blocked the nav strip a long time ago but I wanted to make sure I had understood what you said - it was pretty confusing for me at 1 am.

Thanks for the prompt answer.

Is this going to be announced somewhere else than in this confidential community?

Are there other stuff you record?

[burr86]

Not sure about the other announcements -- not my domain, but I'll see what I can do.

What do you mean by "other stuff"? About the nav strip, or in general?

[tallblue]

Thank you for letting us know about it. After reading the news thread, I hold a higher respect for the staff with some of the comments you have to deal with. I might not like the strip, but I am still crazy about Live Journal and it's impossible to please all of the people all of the time.

[mr_z]

First... let me state that Euler's identity rocks. Love the icon. I prefer to state it as eπi=-1, though, because then it combines 4 fairly important numbers in one equation. (I view -1 as more important than 1 in terms of advancing thought in mathematics.) (And that's supposed to be a "pi" in there... the fonts on here don't do it justice.)

But second... I guess this whole change is motivated by the fact the default is nav-bar on? Since the previous default had no nav bar, why not just leave it off for those who haven't decided to turn it on? If you don't know what you're missing....are you really missing it?

This change seems gratuitous.

[ex_uniquewo]

"If you don't know what you're missing....are you really missing it?"

I think they want to know if people have turned it off because they didn't like it or because they don't even know it exists and therefore didn't make any choice between "Yay! I love that!" or "Yuck! It sucks". Though the means to know that may be questionable it's probably the quickest way of getting data.

[mr_z]

On a tangentially related topic... I have it enabled, but I think it'd be infinitely more useful if it was in its own frame so it didn't scroll away.

[ex_uniquewo]

You're right but then how many of the people who have turned it on would find it then more useful and how many of them would find it suddenly obnoxious? This as an option however may be a good idea.

[foxfirefey]

Thank you muchly for the heads up!

[ex_shattered767]

I think you've confused "consciously chosen not to enable it" with "consciously chosen to create a user stylesheet and disable it as much as possible". ;)

I really don't know what to say. It's seems like it's always opt out, opt out, opt out.

Warning: bad pun

[ex_uniquewo]

I think they want us to spell it out.

XD

And I think that the problem comes from the fact that some of us 'old' users didn't have to opt out. It was an opt in for once. Or am I wrong? Makes you wonder about upcoming changes though. Will they be turned on by default? The Profile page seems to be a given - if users even get an opt out of that - but I wonder about the new Navigation Scheme, the S+ level for communities (I really doubt they'd do that but never say never, right?) and...what else? ESN. Will we get default subscriptions?

I mean turning these things on is the easiest way to advertise them after all.

Re: Warning: bad pun

[ex_shattered767]

And forcing them onto users is the easiest way to make them popular features.

Re: Warning: bad pun

[tiferet]

This logic so pisses me off.