DPP: Oh Pilots, You Liars

[winegums]

Hello everyone, and welcome to this week's DPP! For today, we're going to have a look at the things pilots said about each other and the strange, occasionally twisted thing that was their relationship that were patently NOT TRUE and they knew it. Not that Lee and Kara weren't honest with each other - they often were, in wonderful and painful ways,

Comments

[workerbee73]

What an excellent topic! Pilots be lyin' to each all ALL THE TIME.

I keep wanting to turn the question on its head and think about the times when they actually told each other the truth (instead of dancing around/deflecting/denying). That might even be harder to come up with....

[winegums]

...not to mention painful.

It's why I love UB so much - it's one of the few times where they actually admit it out loud and just for a little bit, stop the cycle of dancing/deflecting/denial. (and then comes the morning after, and PAIN)

[workerbee73]

Times they don't lie to each other... **ticks off fingers**

UB
End of Captain's Hand ("Are we okay?")
The Second Brig Scene ("I believe you")
Islanded ("I don't care")

I'm trying to think of other times but I'm comming up blank. Thoughts?

[winegums]

Home Part 1 (well, after Lee was done being angry "I'm your friend, I love you.", though Kara deflected that one)
And for the briefest moment in Maelstrom ("Whatever it takes.")

And it wasn't about their relationship itself, but they were frank with each other in RS1 when Kara was given the suicide mission and asked Lee to back her up.

[callmeonetrack]

Lee lied to Dee pretty frequently about his feelings for Kara, in the middle of his proposal when she says he's in love with Kara, he immediately denies it, and then in TABFYW I think, he talks about how he's not really in love with Kara anymore or something...it's definitely past tense...and then he eyefraks her across the room before he even finishes his sentence.

Kara is fairly forthright with Sharon in UBEX and with Sam when he asks her in TABFYW. I could never really believe her line "I love Sam, I hate Sam, I love Lee, I hate Lee, I have to cheat to keep the pieces straight" had any truth to it. I don't believe she felt the same about them and was just confused. I do think the writers wanted us to believe that though maybe.

[winegums]

*nods* seriously, TAB was ALL ABOUT THE LIES. I don't think there's another scene where the expressions of the actors contradicted basically every single line of dialogue so hard.

As for the line in EoJ, I never thought it was about her feelings so much as it was about what she thought she should do/feel? Still trying tothrash it out in my head here - I do believe she loved Sam, but not the same way she loved Lee.

[kdbleu]

Yeah, I've always taken the "I love Sam. I hate Sam. I love Lee. I hate Lee. I have to cheat to keep all the pieces straight,' as Kara trying, while in a huge amount of pain and under the influence of drugs, to sort things out specifically for Dee. She would have said something different if Sam had rescued her or if Lee had. But it more about justifying her own actions and feelings than truth or lies.

[workerbee73]

under the influence of drugs

And there you go. DRUGS. That ain't no soul-baring confession right there.

[damao2010]

There were the times Wineguns and Taragel pointed out, of course, but most ot the time they lied by omission rather than by words, especially when talking to each other. When they did lie, though, they didn't do it by halves. That is a fact. In that regards, besides what has already been mentioned, a piece of dialogue from UB comes to mind.

Kara: Been there, done that. I guess it just rubbed us both the wrong way.
Lee (to Dee): What she is talking about was a long time ago. A long time ago.It didn't mean anything.

There were also those times when they were only half lying.

Lee: If you wanna die, I'll open an airlock for you.

Lee: I hope you find him, Kara. I really do.

But mostly, as far as I remember, what caused more problems were the things that remained unsaid rather than the opposite.

[witherwings]

I don't think Lee was lying when he said he wanted Kara to find Sam - that I think was completely genuine, because I think he wanted Kara to be happy. I don't think he anticipated the degree to which Kara would be into Sam to the exclusion of everything else when she brought him back though, or the degree to which seeing that would destroy him.

[winegums]

*nods* yes, this exactly. I think the sentiment was honest - Lee really did want her to be happy, he'd seen her go through the events of Scar and how being "hung up on a dead guy" nearly destroyed her and he didn't want her to go through that again - even if it meant that he himself couldn't have Kara the way he wanted.

[damao2010]

I agree with you. Strangely enough, considering what I said before. I just tried to point out that, despite that wish for Kara to be happy, part of him must have wished she didn't find him, hence the "half lying" I used.

[callmeonetrack]

I can't decide if she believed what she was saying or not in the Under the Wing scene when Kara says "Maybe that was all we were ever supposed to be."

Lee looks like he doesn't believe it.

[word_vomity]

Wait? She says that?! I remember 'i guess that's all we'll ever be now' but I don't recall that she said that's all they were ever supposed to be! If she said that I may die. Noo! She didn't say that right? Take it back!

[callmeonetrack]

Oops. That's the one I mean. I guess I just have a more nihilistic view of it in light of the finale.

[word_vomity]

Close call! That coulda ruined my whole day! :P

[sugarhaven]

"Because I'm just a CAG, and you're just a pilot."

I thought that was sarcasm rather than a lie.