Comments | new_shinra87: Rufus Shinra is an Al-Bhed Alien!

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Rufus Shinra is an Al-Bhed Alien!

Jun 02, 2006 19:00

This may sound far fetched but its true! I couldn’t believe this when I read it - from the translation of both FFVII and X’s Ultimania Omega books. (full credit to Ryu Kaze/Ryu Sinclair for making such a great translation). Its based on the fact that FFVII and FFX’s worlds are connected - they are in the same universe but are on different planets ( Read more... )

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neo_rufus June 2 2006, 23:36:05 UTC

I must admit that I am very impressed with this theory. It would have never crossed my mind, not even once, lol. What's odd is that I have played and beatenm FFX-2 and never considered the FFX-2 Shinra with Rufus Shinra. It makes so much sense to me now. But the boy Shinra seemed to be so aware of the dangers of his work. Were as if this theory is correct, and he and Rufus are related, it makes you wonder why Rufus acts the way he does. In FF7, he seems to be either aware of the dangers but does not fear them, or he was unaware. If the events of FFX are before FF7, then it makes you wonder why the FF7 Shinra Company was so careless in this part. One would think they knew the dangers of their work ( ... )

bangbangshinra June 3 2006, 01:05:23 UTC

I think that Shinra is a very very distant descendant to Rufus, "some 1000 years later" as Nojima says, the technology would have been passed on by family but probably not Shinra's original hesitations (I haven't played X-2 by the way so I'm going by what you say here). And Pres Shinra was quite aware of what he was doing was dangerous - he just didn't care. Some people misinterpreted this I think and thought that it said that Shinra's descendants arrived on FFVII's world at the time of the Cetra - but the interview doesn't say that. I think they would have arrived nearer the time of FFVII, maybe about 100 years or so before? Enough time for the Shinra family to settle down, gain some status and power, fit in with their new world and keep developing their technology that they know will benefit them greatly eventually. I think they may have chose FFVII's planet due to its suitability to their machina, lifestream is more suitable than the farplane energy, perhaps they were searching for a suitable planet? I wonder if Rufus and his ( ... )

neo_rufus June 3 2006, 01:27:22 UTC

To be honest, I must thank you for sharing Nojima's quotes. They were a HUGE help to me. He sounds like a very wise man, and I believe all of his statements. Like when he says "Rufus can move just as much as Denzel can," I mean that proves its fact. He is the scenario write of AC, so I don't think fans have what it takes to prove his quotes wrong, along with his theory about FFX and FFVII being related. He's practically helped create Final Fantasy, of course I still love debating anyway, lol. Plus we discover other topics that might not have been mentioned to have awesome debates about as well. Opposing with his quotes is like telling the creator of PS2 that the power button should be yellow instead of green. :P

Once again, thanks for sharing with us his quotes, I find them so cool to read. :D

bangbangshinra June 4 2006, 13:14:48 UTC

You're very welcome. I get quite excited when I find something new or interesting like this - so I think its important to share it with other fans ( ... )

neo_rufus June 2 2006, 23:57:36 UTC

Sorry for going a little bit off topic, but I was reading the comments in the Rufus Shinra community and I wanted to talk about Cloud and Rufus, and what I think about the family thing ( ... )

bangbangshinra June 3 2006, 00:50:43 UTC

Oh I know theres little chance of them actually being related really, I think we were all getting carried away with our theories ^ ^ I also do not think Rufus grew up in Nibelheim as the Mansion was already long disused and turned towards scientific experiments before Rufus was born. But on a more realistic level, I suppose it isn't impossible that Cloud is a descandant of the Shinra family somehow, just being blonde is a loose tie (even though there are few blondes in FF7), but Nibelheim is a very small village - it can't be unlikely that at somepoint the Shinra family mixed with the villagers, I mean they can't all be inbred O_o ( ... )

neo_rufus June 3 2006, 01:14:18 UTC

Lol, I love getting carried away with theories. It just raises more interesting questions that are indeed worth thinking about. The blonde suggestion is a very interesting point. It could be closely related somehow. Perhaps Cloud knew his close connections with Shinra, and since he didn't work out...his hatred for them started lol. My head hurts lol. Nevertheless, I am having fun ( ... )

berrykitten June 3 2006, 04:52:20 UTC

Now Rude's reaction makes sense.. and that is funny. XD I thought they were both just ticked off because Yazoo said they weren't trusted. I've always thought those two were always extremely loyal to the company so would expect the same kind of loyality.. It made sense a bit because I heard japanese workers and companies tend to be really loyal to one another.

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summonerluna June 3 2006, 21:45:33 UTC

I really like that theory, but I also have a lot of problems with it. I believe the two worlds are connected--obviously, if Nojima and Kitase say they are, they would know best--but I think there are a *lot* of holes that need to be closed up in order for it to work...my biggest problem with it, I think, is that Cid Highwind wanted to be the first man in space--but of course if the Shin-Ra company is founded on Gaia 1000 years after Shinra began work on the project on Spira, it would have been about a little under 1000 years after Jenova arrived on Gaia--and therefore space travel should be somewhere in Gaia's history books. Particularly if it was the Shinra family who were behind it--Shin-Ra company is later funding space travel--but shouldn't they know ( ... )

bangbangshinra June 4 2006, 13:08:09 UTC

Dammit I keep posting and then somehow loosing everything I just typed when I get to the end.. *is very pissed off* K i'll try again.... What was I saying.. Oh yeah! I agree with you on the space travel thing, I was thinking about this earlier actually, surely Shinra would know how to make space travel possible? The only way I can think to explain this is that, perhaps the first Shinras to arrive wanted to keep the knowledge of who and what they were secret - probably to complete their plans without resistance, and perhaps didn't even tell the next generation in their family about their secret (I doubt very much that if this is all true then Rufus knows of the origins of his family) and therefore destroyed the evidence of space travel - only for later Shinra's to try and develop it again? Its a long shot I know but is the only way I can think to explain that. I think a theory like this is always going to be full of flaws, as the FFVII world when first created couldn't have been meant to connect with the world of FFX, and I'm guessing ( ... )

summonerluna June 4 2006, 22:41:47 UTC

Aww Nanaki clones ( ... )

bangbangshinra June 4 2006, 23:18:56 UTC

Nanaki's a real mystery. I believe Bugenhagen was an adopted grandfather, but Bugenhagen as well - WTF was he? He just floated didn't he! Nanaki breeding with another race - that just seems to be full of beastiality to me...- brings to mind many wierd doujinshi I've seen - CloudxDark Nation VincentxChocobo Red XIII x Yuffie etc... ^ ^ Mind you though - when you are in Shinra HQ on the first disc - I'm sure when Hojo has Aerith in the lab and he brings Nanaki up that he plans to breed them : "Without my help both these species will become extinct" or something like that, and in the board meeting he tells the President "We're thinking of breeding her". I really wouldn't put it past Hojo ( ... )

Gaia? iheartcloud2 June 6 2006, 05:13:05 UTC

That's the name of the "lifestream" like thing the the movie FF: the spirits within. You think there is some sort of connection between the two being named?

Re: Gaia? bangbangshinra June 6 2006, 11:45:01 UTC

Perhaps - I was talking on another community and someone said that Spirits Within may well be connected, FF:SW, FFVII and FFX's worlds all have similar systems all like the lifestream. Apparently Nomura came up with the idea after reflecting on the death of his mother - so I think he likes to incorperate the idea in lots of FFs. But I still like the idea that all the FFs are in the same universe, so its likely that a lot of the planets (if not all - is life/death discussed so much in other FFs? - I can't remember...) But Gaia is the Roman (I think it was Roman - not Greek) word for Earth so it could just be named for that only.

Re: Gaia? neo_rufus June 6 2006, 21:24:41 UTC

Hello, just wanted to say thanks for commenting here. ;)