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nevermore999

Babs and Bruce Beyond and silly internet memes

Nov 22, 2010 11:06

Hey all! Just so you know (cuz I know it's keeping you up at night) I am still going to do a super mega review of Batgirl #15 and a little thing for Red Robin. Just been busy!

In the meantime...

So, I finally have gotten around to watching Batman Beyond the series thanks to Justin letting me borrow his DVDs. I got to "A touch of Currare", the Babs ( Read more... )

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nevermore999 November 22 2010, 17:40:23 UTC

Really? I was going by TV Tropes definitions, and Diana goes against the laws of the USA if she thinks they're wrong, so... I guess she could be argued as Lawful good in that she upholds Amazon Law, but she also goes against that if she has a problem.

But I could be missing something, not being D&D familiar.

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nevermore999 November 22 2010, 19:51:11 UTC

Huh, that's interesting! I'll redo hers if I ever get bored again, then.

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Wow sageofmudora November 22 2010, 17:51:00 UTC

I've never seen Batman Beyond except for snippets from RotJ, and this shocked me a lot. Babs and BATMAN? The only ship-tease I've ever seen of them ever was in the 1960's TV show, where they teased Babs/Dick just as much and hadn't really developed her character yet.

Wow.

parsimonia November 22 2010, 20:25:12 UTC

I don't know why, even though I agree it is totally wrong and fucked up, and would obviously never work and be horrible if it happened in the comics, I still kind of enjoy Bruce/Babs in the DCAU ( ... )

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parsimonia December 12 2010, 03:43:21 UTC

I simply can't accept a Babs who falls that far, because the essence of the Babs I know is that she doesn't.

But that's just it, she didn't. DCAU Babs is different from DCU Babs. She sporadically worked as Batgirl in college, then was a bit more full-time when older and working, then RotJ happened. Return of the Joker could be interpreted as an equivalent to TKJ, but it would have affected her and her relationships differently. I also tend to look at DCAU Babs as an entirely different character, seemingly without as many parallels to Bruce.

So it takes her longer to get to the point where she's able to see her mistakes and learn from them in the way you describe. And I'd say given that she presumably has a happy marriage and satisfying career, has maintained a friendship with Tim Drake and is able to be amicable with Bruce, and possibly even Dick, she didn't fall after all. I'd say we see exactly what you describe, it just takes Babs a longer time to get there, maybe?

nevermore999 November 23 2010, 00:03:51 UTC

But the dialogue between Babs and Terry suggests that they got together just as Dick was leaving. So this was before any tragedy happened. And the Batwoman movie where Babs calls and snipes at Bruce for being around other women and it clear they're supposed to be in a relationship backs this up- Tim is Robining and well there.

So that just makes it...really random, with no tragic justification. Babs line is kinda ambiguous, it doesn't say for sure they patched things up just that Dick has stories if Terry ever looked him up...but I do hope it means they did. Hopefully they wouldn't both be THAT OOC...

One thing I wondered about BATB- regardless of the fuckery there, I woulda thought Dick would have come back to visit Tim once he heard what happened. Maybe he did and just left again

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jlbarnett November 23 2010, 23:26:45 UTC

I think Lois/Bruce is actually pretty old school. Silver Age crack basically.

the_narration November 24 2010, 01:40:41 UTC

I always found those occassional hints at the idea of Babs/Bruce in the DCAU to be really disturbing. It just... didn't make any sense. Luckily it doesn't come up very often in the parts I saw.

Alignment can be a really complicated issue. The arguments on the subject can get epic. A lot of stuff, especially on the Law/Chaos axis, is ill-defined and can be open to interpretation. And working with comics, where different writers can have lots of different takes on a character, just muddies the waters even more. (Somebody once did a set with one for Batman for each of the nine alignments. And I could probably find better examples for the evil ones than they used.) Shiva, for example. I've seen her pegged as Chaotic (once with a quote from when she hung around with The Question where she says something like "Do as you wish. That's what everyone does. Of course, some times I wish to kill someone and they don't wish to die, but that's when things get interesting."), or she could be pegged as Lawful because of her strict honor code. And is ( ... )