1.1.01.01.016: The Ishihara test is final and cannot be reviewed, nor retaken

Jun 04, 2011 19:27

If the only way you could have total freedom within a society is to be literally invisible to that society, would you consider it worth it? If it took to technically not exist to be able to live by your own rules, would you want that ( Read more... )

now eddie's playing dumb, actually scarily manipulative, colourvision, the truth belongs to eddie, gonna taupe this up, ishihara me, skating on thin ice

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Private ourlastbesthope June 4 2011, 18:36:34 UTC
I can't help you with the god question. I know some people believe in that concept so much that they're willing to do very big, sometimes very stupid things. So be cautious about who you ask.

As for the lab, I don't see a problem with it. Just keep an eye on him.

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Re: Private needshumility June 4 2011, 22:10:41 UTC
Who should I avoid asking? And... maybe they'd tell me what it meant, even if they are prepared to do something stupid.

I will. I'm not sure we'll need it, but I thought I best check in case. Thanks.

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Private ourlastbesthope June 4 2011, 23:01:30 UTC
God is a flexible concept- that's the problem. It's different for everyone.

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Re: Private needshumility June 4 2011, 23:02:42 UTC
So... he's not, um, set down in specific rules and things?

But more... different for what everyone makes of him?

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Private greatlightother June 4 2011, 18:38:42 UTC
It's a test for color blindness. Different kinds. And you two can see different things because you have different vision, right? I mean...you can see different colors. [Wait.]

I really don't know exactly how your vision works, so I really can't say why.

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Re: Private needshumility June 4 2011, 22:16:13 UTC
I see. Is that a commonly known thing, or medical-knowledge-only?

By the way, we can generally only see particular colours, and everything else is a shade of grey. For example, I have 86% perception of Red - I can only see Red, and the Red content of other colours like purple and orange. The... brighter the colour, and the brighter the light, the easier it is to see. I can see someone blush in a normally lit room. That's about my limit.

Jane has 12% Blue and 14% Yellow, which means she can see Green, but only just. Shades would have to be particularly bright for her to see.

National Colour produces Univisual colour and medicinal hue, which everyone can see. The former are used in colour gardens for public enjoyment, and sometimes are bought as dyes and food colouring. The latter are what I have in my swatch and can induce physical reactions within someone - some colours are painkillers, for example.

That's the best explanation of how it works I can give.

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Re: Private greatlightother June 5 2011, 00:23:57 UTC
That is actually a very good description. This is more for people who can't distinguish red and green, for example. They wouldn't be able to see the numbers, since the colors would run together.

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Re: Private needshumility June 5 2011, 00:28:16 UTC
Ah, I see.

There was something else I wanted to ask you.

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[Exclusive Warden Filter] oh god excuse the tl;dr knowsthepeople June 4 2011, 19:32:55 UTC
I think most people've - at least, where I'm from - agreed that God's incorporeal. He's considered to be "above" everything else because, according to most religions who believe in Him, he created the universe and kinda keeps an eye on it.

The people who call themselves gods and goddesses here are from different faiths then the one that talks about there being only one God, and I guess either come from another universe where they are goddesses who exist with bodies like ours, or they've just been hidin' really well fah the last couple thousand years. Persephone's a Greek goddess, Loki's Norse and Coyo's Aztec. Most early religions, like the ones they're from, had more then one god, but by the time a lot of us ah from back home, a lot of people follow religions that only talk about one god, and since a lot of us ah from more Western cultures, the standard here seems to be a little skewed towahds monotheistic religions ( ... )

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Re: [Exclusive Warden Filter] s'all good. meta-howie's response was twice as long in my head. needshumility June 4 2011, 22:18:17 UTC
Right...

So if everyone might think something different, what's the right answer? Surely people can't have this much stock in something they're guessing at, can they?

[apologies for the short in response to your tl;dr]

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[Exclusive Warden Filter] oh howie xD knowsthepeople June 5 2011, 02:08:17 UTC
Everyone, oah at least, the people who really, truly believe everything written in somethin' like the Bible oah whatever, tend to think that their version is right and everyone else's is wrong.

It's kinda gotten better over the years - it used to be most people were really violently focused on their religion and fuck everyone else, right? But now most people kinda think gettin' into heaven oah whatever depends more on bein' a good person, and not on what religion they follow.

And I think people put a lotta stock into it because they like to think everythin' we're doing on Earth means somethin', you know? And to know you've got somewhere to go when it's all over's kinda comforting, instead of just thinking everything's just... over when you die.

[Nooo problem. c:]

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Re: [Exclusive Warden Filter] oh howie xD needshumility June 5 2011, 11:15:09 UTC
But none of them are really the truth?

At home, I guess, our lives ar given meaning by our civil obligation to the Collective. But this... your lives are given meaning by what happens after you die? Is that right?

What do you make of this place, then?

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[Eddie-friendly Warden Filter] Bertie is not a theologian. helpmejeeves June 4 2011, 20:31:55 UTC
Well, God is the Father of humanity. And the Father of Jesus, who is also God. God from God, Light from Light, True God from true God, begotten, not made.

There is only one God, and he is the Alpha and the Omega. But he comes in three parts. The Father--that's God. The Son--that's Jesus. And the Holy Spirit--that's...I'm not sure what the Holy Spirit is, really. But I think it's the bit of God that people eat during communion and then lives inside them like the tenant of a flat. As the Good Book says, "know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?"

But there is quite definitely only one God, and those who say they are gods and goddesses are mistaken.

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[Eddie-friendly Warden Filter] This could go nothing but horribly wrong. 19centconstable June 4 2011, 22:11:22 UTC
Oh no: the Eucharist is God's body. The Holy Spirit is a Paraclete.

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[Eddie-friendly Warden Filter] Or horribly AWESOME. helpmejeeves June 4 2011, 22:14:08 UTC
I don't know about this Parawhatsits business, but if the Holy Spirit isn't in the Eucharist how does it get inside people?

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[Eddie-friendly Warden Filter] 19centconstable June 5 2011, 02:51:11 UTC
A Paraclete is...well I think it's a sort of bird.

But anyway: it's a spirit. They can go through anything or anyone they'd like. Spiritually.

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Private thebestnose June 4 2011, 20:40:39 UTC
To live for loganberry jam. To hide in an attic. To run away to a quarantined village.

If that's the only way to get freedom, then yes. Loneliness aside, it's better.

But I'm sure you already knew that.

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Re: Private needshumility June 4 2011, 22:06:58 UTC
Well... yes.

But I was wondering, Jane, is it? To be so isolated, to not be part of any society at all? To just stand by and watch all those things happen to everyone around you and not even being able to say a word to them? Not being able to really change anything, except for a few answers given where they normally wouldn't?

I can join National Colour. Well, I can try. I can pull things apart from the inside. all the Apocryphal Man can do is watch. He's free, but he doesn't have anything else.

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Re: Private thebestnose June 5 2011, 04:48:03 UTC
You can join National Colour. You can pull things apart from the inside.

Not everyone else can. So for most people, that's all we have and that's good enough.

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Re: Private needshumility June 5 2011, 11:19:55 UTC
You've got a point. I just... I wouldn't want to be the Apocryphal Man, that's all.

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