Here I go again

May 06, 2008 10:58

 Lovely sunshine again today.

*basks*

It was pretty warm when I went for a run this morning (4 miles - w00t!) and if P had been around to take the kids to school, I think I would have preferred going a couple of hours earlier. Still, I felt good and there was no misbehaviour from the hamstring.

The only thing that marred my run was the behaviour of 2 ( Read more... )

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denorios May 6 2008, 10:22:19 UTC
*sighs*

Yet another thing men don't get. I had a big argument with my brother this weekend because he thought some women were idiots for not reporting rape and he couldn't understand why they would feel ashamed. And he half-agreed that women shouldn't dress sexily if they don't want to get raped - he wasn't saying it was their fault, but that they were acting recklessly. I could have screamed at him. Men just don't get things like this.

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nebula99 May 6 2008, 12:37:59 UTC
Some do, but far too many don't. And it is so obvious that you can't believe you have to even argue it with them.

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matociquala May 6 2008, 11:59:29 UTC
Assholes. Cripes. I'm so sorry.

That was one of a very few ways it seemed to me that the US was a little ahead of the UK--I got oogled a lot more openly there than I do at home.

(Somehow, I don't mind it nearly as much when Latino men catcall. Possibly there's a cultural thing, but they seem to do it differently--as if expressing honest appreciation without the edge that it has when white men do it.)

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nebula99 May 6 2008, 12:42:37 UTC
Assholes. Cripes. I'm so sorry.

Cheers. 2 in one morning was just too much.

That was one of a very few ways it seemed to me that the US was a little ahead of the UK--I got oogled a lot more openly there than I do at home.

(Somehow, I don't mind it nearly as much when Latino men catcall. Possibly there's a cultural thing, but they seem to do it differently--as if expressing honest appreciation without the edge that it has when white men do it.)

Yes. It is a depressing aspect of our culture. After all, Page 3 of a national newspaper still features a bare breasted "lovely" on a daily basis.

And I know what you mean about culture/context. I've had comments made that have made me smile because there was no malice behind them. But there is a difference with expressing appreciation and with the way that so many men do it, solely with the intention of making you uncomfortable.

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matociquala May 6 2008, 14:40:04 UTC
Well, it's nice to know that they're seeing to men's masturbation needs beside the crossword puzzle....

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footlingagain May 6 2008, 15:12:37 UTC
ROFL.

When they started printing The Daily Star years ago, their main selling point was 'For every nipple in that paper, we'll have five!'

Welcome to the classy world of advertising the tabloid press.

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theperoxide_emo May 6 2008, 13:12:13 UTC
I used to get a lot of that when I was at college last year. I used to wear low-cut tops, with fitted jeans and heels and walking around the city in those used to get me beeped at every 5 seconds. One guy even hung out of a van window and asked me to marry him and make babies with him! :o Needless to say, the beeps scared the crap out of me! No matter how often it happened, it would always make me jump out of my skin! I didn't feel intimidated then though because I was around a lot of people ( ... )

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footlingagain May 6 2008, 15:06:38 UTC
a couple ...suggested it was my own fault for dressing the way I did

*sighs* I've had this discussion so many times, I'm tired, so I understand entirely why you're so angry.

[Begin rant] In a nutshell, this view is summed up as: "It's called dressing attractively because it is dressing to attract attention. Consequently you have no right to complain when you do. If the attention isn't welcome, well, you'll just have to make sure that they don't notice you."

I took that message on board very early in my life - consequently I have spent most of it in baggy jumpers and badly-fitting jeans and have an entirely unreasonable reaction to anyone who says, 'Oh, but if I had your figure, I'd...'

Believe me - if you had my figure and my experiences, you probably wouldn't.

Apparently, women can't dress to feel pretty or sexy or attractive (What's the point of that? You don't need to feel that, you just need to show other people - especially men - that you ARE). We're still out there as commodities, a lot of the time, And I'm still ( ... )

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nebula99 May 6 2008, 21:10:42 UTC
Word.

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theperoxide_emo May 6 2008, 22:53:58 UTC
"I took that message on board very early in my life - consequently I have spent most of it in baggy jumpers and badly-fitting jeans and have an entirely unreasonable reaction to anyone who says, 'Oh, but if I had your figure, I'd...'

Believe me - if you had my figure and my experiences, you probably wouldn't."

I understand that so well. Sadly, after nearly being raped myself by 4 guys in a college stairwell and a taxi driver on my way home from college, I have also started to dress differently in an attempt to blend into the background. My beautiful (and not at all cheap) clothes that I used to adore are now collecting dust in my closet while I hide behind baggy jeans and hoodies. And you know what? It pisses me off!! I don't understand why I should have to sacrifice my confidence and my ability to look good in return for my safety when I go outside! Surely in this century, that shouldn't even be an issue!

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footlingagain May 6 2008, 14:39:42 UTC
Ack. So sorry to hear that you've been getting hassled. It's at times like those that I know I would not be any good with a super-power, or even with a gun of my own.

It's not a difficult concept - leave the lone woman alone, she's not 'fair game' in any context. Except that it is a difficult concept, apparently.

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nebula99 May 6 2008, 21:11:22 UTC
Indeed. Far too complex for the supposedly ultra-rational gender. *rolls eyes*

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footlingagain May 6 2008, 22:00:55 UTC
Ohhhhh - Don't get me started....

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carinvdd May 6 2008, 14:45:26 UTC
Please tell me that you carry pepper spray with you or a gun.

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nebula99 May 6 2008, 21:13:38 UTC
Neither of those are legal for me to carry in the UK . . .

I do take care - I never wear an ipod when I'm running and I don't go late at night etc. There are some lovely woodland trails that I avoid unless someone is with me but in the end, it really annoys me that I should have to take precautions like that. I'm not the person who is a threat, but yet I'm the person who has to change what I am doing. Grrr.

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