Comments | neadods: So. There's this thing called Herlock (a rant post)

neadods

So. There's this thing called Herlock (a rant post)

Jun 14, 2015 16:38

Yesterday was Scintillation of Scions. I would love to run in (tired) circles squeeing about how well the raffle did, or the wonderful wide diversity of panels/panelists, and the fun of the Basil Rathbone Birthday B&W dinner ( Read more... )

rant, holmesverse, elementary, herlock

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badgermirlacca June 14 2015, 20:49:23 UTC

so... I'm guessing you didn't like it, then... *ducks and runs like hell*

How did it go over with the rest of the audience?

neadods June 14 2015, 21:30:21 UTC

Surprisingly hard to tell. There was a lot of polite applause for it, but there weren't a lot of questions after, and I'm finding out a lot of "OMG, you felt that way too?" afterwards.

Thing's available online. Anyone is free to judge for themselves...

starcat_jewel June 15 2015, 01:50:39 UTC

Oy gevelt. Countdown to claims from the creator that it's unpopular because it's "not politically correct" in 3...2...1...

hernerdiness June 22 2015, 04:08:19 UTC

I have to say that the "full of young lesbians" remark rubbed me the wrong way for reasons I can't quite articulate.

I also saw this at 221bcon and was pretty meh on it. I continue to be meh. I am super annoyed by both Jonny and Mario. Jonny just...doesn't make sense, and Mario is so overbearing, ugh.

neadods June 22 2015, 09:29:38 UTC

I can articulate my issues with that line. It erases every fan who is neither young, nor female, nor lesbian. Plenty of the older generation are still here and active, and the new fans coming in are not, in fact, universally female, young, or lesbian.

Now, the new movers and shakers tend to be younger women - Baker St Babes, 221B con, GridlockDC and some of them are open about their lesbianism and the fanfic is full of all kinds of sexual pairings. But "this fandom is a safe space for my sexuality" is not the same as "full of young lesbians."

neadods June 23 2015, 23:05:52 UTC

I keep thinking about the "full of young lesbians" line and wonder - did part of your discomfort come from being grouped by sexuality as opposed to being engaged as a fellow fan?

hernerdiness June 24 2015, 15:50:21 UTC

Yes, and I feel it's also a bit of a misunderstanding of fandom. While Sherlock Seattle is clearly dominated by people who are women and/or queer, it's erasing the different varieties of queerness and gender and lumping them all into one pile. The remark feels like it's coming from an outsider gawking at us rather than trying to understand us.

And like... I probably shouldn't be comparing them directly, but my point is made even more obvious by the difference between Herlock and S(her)lock. You already stated the gendered problems with Herlock. In contrast, S(her)lock is by and for women and/or queer people, and they are trying their hardest to live up to feminist principles, including paying their actors. (The Herlock actors did that pilot for free.)

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