Title: Worth More than Many Sparrows Author: buttercups3 Rating: Explicit Length: 2009 wds Fandom: NBC Revolution Characters: Charlie Matheson/Miles Matheson, Nora Clayton/Miles Matheson Summary: Miles's helicopter piloting is causing Charlie to reflect on her recent voyeurism of Miles x Nora (helicopters vibrate, ok?) and her own illicit (if relatively harmless) crush on her uncle. No explicit incest, just interest on Charlie's part...oh, but maybe I should mention the Miles x Nora is very explicit. Takes place between "Clue" and "Children of Men." Written to kick off Charlie Matheson Appreciation Week!
1: 'Never let go of Danny's hand' - was Charlie more effectively Danny's mother than Rachel was? Considering they shared a room and Charlie once said she never spent more than 5 minutes away from her brother...
I would very much say yes. The bond between them must have been very strong, and for Charlie to see Danny taken away, she must have had to shut down or risk feeling like she'd totally lose it. This is a nice in-verse explanation for Spiridakos's wooden acting in the initial episodes.
Also, to be honest? Ben complaining that she and Danny don't actually "do any hunting"? I kind of almost side-eyed that turn of phrase, heh.
2: How does Charlie feel towards her mother? Glad she's alive, resentful Rachel tries to treat her like a child, mistrustful of the face she 'never knew her at all'.I think she has difficulty reconnecting. In fact I wish the show had explored this more. Rachel, in service of a greater objective, sacrificed millions of lives (potentially billions) and with them, her family. Her decisions, while having the
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This is a nice in-verse explanation for Spiridakos's wooden acting in the initial episodes.I think Tracy has been pretty true to her character and that it was her character rubbing people the wrong way in the beginning. But that said, honestly, I think every one of the actors has struggled in certain bits, even though they are mostly very, very good. I think the first season's spotty writing, lack of background on characters, and rotating directors was difficult to navigate, and I really saw it wearing on the veteran actors in the second half of the season (also their shooting schedule was exhausting). For instance, I'm a HUGE Billy Burke fan - I think he can be brills - but he struggled in "Clue." The Nora-Miles thing had been punted on by the writers, and it was too hard for him to forge that connection. David was also suffering from some very two-dimensional writing for a long stretch and did what he could but came off a little one note. I love these actors to little bits though. I also know what it's like to get up everyday and
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I think it was telling that Daniella Alonzo thought that Nora knew about Miles and Rachel for ages, and was only told fairly late in the game that she'd no clue. So it throws off everything before that - all the suspicious looks and 'mine' affection claims.
I think it was telling that Daniella Alonzo thought that Nora knew about Miles and Rachel for ages, and was only told fairly late in the game that she'd no clue. So it throws off everything before that - all the suspicious looks and 'mine' affection claims.
Wait wuh? That makes no sense! Fie on the writers. What was Nora a total nincompoop? Poor Daniella. She got totally manhandled.
Once again my "don't give me your s***, I'm grumpy at the world" new Miles icon comes in handy. :)
Charlie. She's at an age where she thinks she knows everything, when she, in fact, knows very little about very little because she hasn't been anywhere, but she learns everything with such zeal. She's still young enough that things are catastrophized and dramatic, but she's old enough to sometimes be wise beyond her years about her mother and Miles. She loves like Miles does: completely and irrevocably, so no, I don't think there's anything Miles could do or has done that she wouldn't forgive - or at least that would make her angry enough to cut him completely out of her life. I don't think Charlie cares much about the United States, since she was a little kid when it collapsed, nor do I think turning the power back on has a very concrete meaning to her. But I also don't think her only purpose is revenge against or overthrowing Monroe. I think by the time we got to the season finale, Rachel was calling the shots, and Charlie was more following Miles and Rachel to keep the family together. I think at a pretty basic level, sticking with
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(I am working late tonight so I am strike commenting before I go back to regular work and then extra-regular work *pffs*. I will reply to your Rev comments and I totally chuffed you liked it :D I have answers for some of the questions, others I will pretend I did deliberately while nodding sagely :D)
I think Charlie could be a leader. We saw her take charge during Love Boat, but she tends to fade into the background more around Miles and her Mom. Miles has years of experience and she defers to that, while she and Rachel still have no...blueprint for interaction other than adult and child?
...Ben didn't have a strong moral core. I know some people like him, but from what we've seen on screen he was arrogant, careless and self-serving. The morality we did see - not fighting the militia - was more about lying low. If anything, the kids probably got their moral core from AARON and you know he's not my favourite person. What he is, though, is a bit of a nerd and I can imagine him half-assing stories for the kids about Star Wars and
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I have answers for some of the questions, others I will pretend I did deliberately while nodding sagely :D
One of the most rewarding aspects of good writing is all the stuff that just comes out of the author that they were not even conscious of but their readers pick up on and bring to life. The relationship between author and reader is the coolest, and I always say: Reading is an art, too. It's far from passive.
I would engage with your comments on Ben and Aaron, but I'll save them for Ben and Aaron week, otherwise I'll have us on enormous tangents, because you know us and our interminable arguing. ;)
I completely agree on your take on Charlie, regarding caring about people (and family) more than ideals. I think the more she learns about Rachel, Miles and Ben and the things they've done, the easier it'll be for her to forgive people like Bass (or at least accept him) because the people around her, the people she loves are all shades of gray and she still accepts them (even if it's a struggle), I think Charlie is the type to try and look for the good in everyone and she could eventually (with enough exposure) see the good in Bass. It helps that unlike Rachel, she wasn't held prisoner by him and didn't really see first hand his cruelty. But on the other hand, she doesn't have a "pre blackout" Bass to compare him to, like Miles does, so she only knows current power-hungry dictator Monroe.
I think Charlie is having the hardest time forgiving her mother, and things will get even harder when she realizes how her mother cheated with Miles on Ben. I get the sense she'll blame Rachel even more than Miles for it. She's just not over the
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Charlie's moral core feels to me like it came from books. I think it's been implied that she spent some time in the woods hiding but early on in the show she seemed incredibly sheltered, as if all her decisions were made in a vacuum. I don't feel they've really found a balance with her yet. One minute she's machine gunning down soldiers she knows are likely conscripts or Jason's old comrades, the next she's rebelling against Miles to save a scientist. I think she's interesting but I don't think I'd use the word solid to describe her.
Can we talk about her relationship with Jason for a minute, particularly since Buttercup isn't a fan? What is it about it that doesn't work? I think Jason is a very attractive man; she's hot too. On most shows they wouldn't have a problem pairing them off believably, but it just hasn't worked for me here. Is it because it began in stalker-crush and we haven't seen much since? Are we supposed to believe it's love or just hot pants (his more consistently than hers)?
Charlie's moral core feels to me like it came from books. I love that idea since it's how I developed my own moral core...but I haven't really seen any evidence that there were books in her town. Miles also said to Nora in "Ghosts" - When was the last time you saw a library? As if they were very rare in the MR. I guess Miles and Bass didn't really groom education in their world. ;) Aaron appeared to be teaching w/o books...didn't he? Don't remember.
But this I TOTALLY agree with: she seemed incredibly sheltered, as if all her decisions were made in a vacuum.Until she left the village, none of her ideas about the world were tested and that's why she faces ethical dilemmas once they are. I still think she has one of the stronger moral cores on the show - Miles calls her "unusual" for it. They live in an incredibly dangerous place and to survive you must kill (for instance, many soldiers retain a moral core in the midst of their jobs); however, I do think Charlie's conception of morality seems to revolve around family rather than a
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Ha, swear I'd not read down this far. My theory fits though, not books but stories from books. Charlie's desire for adventure, to go to all those places on her postcards, would fit well with a kid raised on stories like Star Wars and Lord of the Rings?
I do wonder if Ben had some sort of ... tool... like Doctor Wallace to protect his town. For being on the outskirts (? it's all 'vaguely in the middle :D) of the Monroe Republic, they seemed very comfortably off. They were wary when the militia arrived - but Charlie seemed stunned by the discovery there were bandits. (I still think it would have better if she'd grown up seeing the militia as a good thing, who protected the town and kept them safe, and only realised that wasn't the whole story when she was on the other side of it.)
Jason and CharlieIt isn't my favourite pairing. I think it's because the writers - despite apparently being very invested - don't seem that into it. We never really see their relationship develop? Half the time it just seems they are the only two young
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If the writers are into the relationship, they aren't communicating that very well. I saw a lot of criticism of Tracy's acting because in Clue she was so flatly "Jason did it" instead of conflicted, but in Revolution Revealed she said she asked if she could show a little sympathy or confusion and was told no. There's so much potential in Revolution and so many management issues mucking it up
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Title: Worth More than Many Sparrows
Author: buttercups3
Rating: Explicit
Length: 2009 wds
Fandom: NBC Revolution
Characters: Charlie Matheson/Miles Matheson, Nora Clayton/Miles Matheson
Summary: Miles's helicopter piloting is causing Charlie to reflect on her recent voyeurism of Miles x Nora (helicopters vibrate, ok?) and her own illicit (if relatively harmless) crush on her uncle. No explicit incest, just interest on Charlie's part...oh, but maybe I should mention the Miles x Nora is very explicit. Takes place between "Clue" and "Children of Men." Written to kick off Charlie Matheson Appreciation Week!
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I would very much say yes. The bond between them must have been very strong, and for Charlie to see Danny taken away, she must have had to shut down or risk feeling like she'd totally lose it. This is a nice in-verse explanation for Spiridakos's wooden acting in the initial episodes.
Also, to be honest? Ben complaining that she and Danny don't actually "do any hunting"? I kind of almost side-eyed that turn of phrase, heh.
2: How does Charlie feel towards her mother? Glad she's alive, resentful Rachel tries to treat her like a child, mistrustful of the face she 'never knew her at all'.I think she has difficulty reconnecting. In fact I wish the show had explored this more. Rachel, in service of a greater objective, sacrificed millions of lives (potentially billions) and with them, her family. Her decisions, while having the ( ... )
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Wait wuh? That makes no sense! Fie on the writers. What was Nora a total nincompoop? Poor Daniella. She got totally manhandled.
Once again my "don't give me your s***, I'm grumpy at the world" new Miles icon comes in handy. :)
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I think Charlie could be a leader. We saw her take charge during Love Boat, but she tends to fade into the background more around Miles and her Mom. Miles has years of experience and she defers to that, while she and Rachel still have no...blueprint for interaction other than adult and child?
...Ben didn't have a strong moral core. I know some people like him, but from what we've seen on screen he was arrogant, careless and self-serving. The morality we did see - not fighting the militia - was more about lying low. If anything, the kids probably got their moral core from AARON and you know he's not my favourite person. What he is, though, is a bit of a nerd and I can imagine him half-assing stories for the kids about Star Wars and ( ... )
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One of the most rewarding aspects of good writing is all the stuff that just comes out of the author that they were not even conscious of but their readers pick up on and bring to life. The relationship between author and reader is the coolest, and I always say: Reading is an art, too. It's far from passive.
I would engage with your comments on Ben and Aaron, but I'll save them for Ben and Aaron week, otherwise I'll have us on enormous tangents, because you know us and our interminable arguing. ;)
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I think Charlie is having the hardest time forgiving her mother, and things will get even harder when she realizes how her mother cheated with Miles on Ben. I get the sense she'll blame Rachel even more than Miles for it. She's just not over the ( ... )
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Can we talk about her relationship with Jason for a minute, particularly since Buttercup isn't a fan? What is it about it that doesn't work? I think Jason is a very attractive man; she's hot too. On most shows they wouldn't have a problem pairing them off believably, but it just hasn't worked for me here. Is it because it began in stalker-crush and we haven't seen much since? Are we supposed to believe it's love or just hot pants (his more consistently than hers)?
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I love that idea since it's how I developed my own moral core...but I haven't really seen any evidence that there were books in her town. Miles also said to Nora in "Ghosts" - When was the last time you saw a library? As if they were very rare in the MR. I guess Miles and Bass didn't really groom education in their world. ;) Aaron appeared to be teaching w/o books...didn't he? Don't remember.
But this I TOTALLY agree with:
she seemed incredibly sheltered, as if all her decisions were made in a vacuum.Until she left the village, none of her ideas about the world were tested and that's why she faces ethical dilemmas once they are. I still think she has one of the stronger moral cores on the show - Miles calls her "unusual" for it. They live in an incredibly dangerous place and to survive you must kill (for instance, many soldiers retain a moral core in the midst of their jobs); however, I do think Charlie's conception of morality seems to revolve around family rather than a ( ... )
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I do wonder if Ben had some sort of ... tool... like Doctor Wallace to protect his town. For being on the outskirts (? it's all 'vaguely in the middle :D) of the Monroe Republic, they seemed very comfortably off. They were wary when the militia arrived - but Charlie seemed stunned by the discovery there were bandits. (I still think it would have better if she'd grown up seeing the militia as a good thing, who protected the town and kept them safe, and only realised that wasn't the whole story when she was on the other side of it.)
Jason and CharlieIt isn't my favourite pairing. I think it's because the writers - despite apparently being very invested - don't seem that into it. We never really see their relationship develop? Half the time it just seems they are the only two young ( ... )
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