Let's talk about this movie forever. I totally agree that Nat was underused in this one. What we got did make me love her even more, which I wasn't sure was possible, but I enjoyed the fact that she was the voice of reason, who only spoke when she felt it was time to step in. As opposed to how evasive and somewhat shifty she was in Civil War, when she was still finding her footing, this was pretty brilliant. It's sort of like having dumped her history onto the internet made her free to embrace being less a widow and more Natalia.
I also liked that the villain wasn't some grand megalomaniac out to take over the world, he was just a guy who wanted revenge and was willing to go to extreme lengths to get it. I'm glad they didn't kill him off.*nod* I don't know a thing about Zemo in the comics except what I've googled about him, but it's kind of nice to have a villain who's just human and real for a change
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It's sort of like having dumped her history onto the internet made her free to embrace being less a widow and more Natalia
*nod nod*
I also am still sort of puzzling over why I felt the Steve-and-Bucky show was lacking in emotion. I guess because the actions are supposed to speak louder than words, but...for all of that, I felt more about and for them in Civil War with far less scenes between them. I'm not sure what to make of that.It worked for me (though I desperately wanted a hug!) but I think because they were on a war footing for basically the whole thing that they never had a moment (that we saw) to actually talk much. But I loved all the little things - the memories, the snark, the way they automatically fought together like a well-oiled machine - even though YET AGAIN they are separated at the end, though now they both know the other is alive, they both know who they are, and Steve is probably not going to stray far from Wakanda while they look for a way to get rid of Bucky
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What I appreciated the most was that everyone seemed in character, which was a nice change after most of the cast seeming off in Ultron. Pre-movie, I thought it was super weird that Nat would side with Tony against Steve, but within the context of the movie, it was her pragmatic streak coming out, of doing something to buy goodwill so they could continue to operate as a team. I also liked that AT LAST they acknowledged the huge disconnect from how IM3 ended and where Tony has been the last two movies.
Yes, to all of this. It seems very clear to me that this was an attempt to clean up some of the mess AOU left, once they realized they were going to have nearly everybody back together again in the movie.
Ant-Man was my fave of the pinch hitters. He was very charming,
He was very charming!
we have the awkward kiss to thank for the priceless reaction shot of Bucky and Sam nodding in the car. I expect to see that gif everywhere. That was maybe the second funniest moment to me, after Bucky asking Sam to scoot his seat forward.True, and
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The friend I saw it with agreed with me that if Hulk or Thor had been involved, the movie would have been over pretty quickly in an orgy of mass destruction, especially when Bruce found out Thunderbolt Ross was their UN liaison.
I found Tony very hypocritical and somewhat skeevy with Spider-Man. He basically bought Spider-Man with the grant money and new suit--though I did like that you could explain the adjusting eye pieces on the upgraded, non-onesie costume as a help on focusing Peter's wide enhanced vision like his goggles did--and then, it seems from the conversation Spidey had with Steve, didn't tell him that the side he's fighting for is one that would make his six months as a vigilante "looking out for the little guy" illegal
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The friend I saw it with agreed with me that if Hulk or Thor had been involved, the movie would have been over pretty quickly in an orgy of mass destruction, especially when Bruce found out Thunderbolt Ross was their UN liaison.
Oh definitely. I understand why they had to not be involved.
Everything you say about Tony with Peter is true. Except that Peter's actions as a vigilante are already illegal (and he's not old enough to be a signatory to the Accords that would allow him to act legally, if only under supervision, which wouldn't work for a street-level crimefighter like Spidey regardless). But yes.
Great going on letting the guy who murdered a group of innocent people just to bring out the Winter Soldier escape so you can instead try to murder someone you know was brainwashed into it and someone you claim as a friend, Tony.
I get that they wanted me to be somewhat sympathetic to him there, but after he backhanded Steve to get to Bucky, I was like, wow, so Tony is the final villain of the movie?!
The MCU can be a bit foggy on the legal issues of superheroes, so I didn't think about that.
That was my read on it, though I know fandom is split on several things in this movie. Tony is wearing the high-tech equivalent of a tank and has no compunction about beating on and murdering Steve and Bucky with it.
I agree with most of your comments, except I kind of liked Spiderman. I thought adding him to the cast certainly took away from the time they could have spent actually developing their pre-exisiting characters, but he was pretty charming.
You know who wasn't charming? Vision. Seriously, all of his interactions with Wanda came across as super skeevy and border-line abusive. Let me walk through the wall of your room after you've previously asked me not to. Let me tell you how scary you are and how everyone hates you and you need me to keep you safe. Let me tell you what's best for you and try to physically stop you from leaving after you've decided to go. ::shudders::
I thought he was okay writing-wise/with the quipping etc., but the actor didn't work for me.
You know who wasn't charming? Vision. Seriously, all of his interactions with Wanda came across as super skeevy and border-line abusive
Ugh, yes! Creepy and paternalistic. I get that there's a comics romance there that they're hinting at but I just wanted to nope out of every scene they shared.
The best time to flirt with a person is when you're keeping her under house arrest. Especially if she doesn't know about the house arrest until you stop her first attempt at leaving. So skeevy.
I was so happy that Vision got a taste of how it is when you're the one who made a mistake with your power. It hopefully shortened his high horse a bit.
Nope, not just you. I've been making the comparison since Bucky picked up the shield and died right after in CATFA, leading to Steve wanting to wipe HYDRA off the map, and the fight vs. the helicopter definitely brought it back up again.
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I also liked that the villain wasn't some grand megalomaniac out to take over the world, he was just a guy who wanted revenge and was willing to go to extreme lengths to get it. I'm glad they didn't kill him off.*nod* I don't know a thing about Zemo in the comics except what I've googled about him, but it's kind of nice to have a villain who's just human and real for a change ( ... )
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It's sort of like having dumped her history onto the internet made her free to embrace being less a widow and more Natalia
*nod nod*
I also am still sort of puzzling over why I felt the Steve-and-Bucky show was lacking in emotion. I guess because the actions are supposed to speak louder than words, but...for all of that, I felt more about and for them in Civil War with far less scenes between them. I'm not sure what to make of that.It worked for me (though I desperately wanted a hug!) but I think because they were on a war footing for basically the whole thing that they never had a moment (that we saw) to actually talk much. But I loved all the little things - the memories, the snark, the way they automatically fought together like a well-oiled machine - even though YET AGAIN they are separated at the end, though now they both know the other is alive, they both know who they are, and Steve is probably not going to stray far from Wakanda while they look for a way to get rid of Bucky ( ... )
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Yes, to all of this. It seems very clear to me that this was an attempt to clean up some of the mess AOU left, once they realized they were going to have nearly everybody back together again in the movie.
Ant-Man was my fave of the pinch hitters. He was very charming,
He was very charming!
we have the awkward kiss to thank for the priceless reaction shot of Bucky and Sam nodding in the car. I expect to see that gif everywhere. That was maybe the second funniest moment to me, after Bucky asking Sam to scoot his seat forward.True, and ( ... )
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I found Tony very hypocritical and somewhat skeevy with Spider-Man. He basically bought Spider-Man with the grant money and new suit--though I did like that you could explain the adjusting eye pieces on the upgraded, non-onesie costume as a help on focusing Peter's wide enhanced vision like his goggles did--and then, it seems from the conversation Spidey had with Steve, didn't tell him that the side he's fighting for is one that would make his six months as a vigilante "looking out for the little guy" illegal ( ... )
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Oh definitely. I understand why they had to not be involved.
Everything you say about Tony with Peter is true. Except that Peter's actions as a vigilante are already illegal (and he's not old enough to be a signatory to the Accords that would allow him to act legally, if only under supervision, which wouldn't work for a street-level crimefighter like Spidey regardless). But yes.
Great going on letting the guy who murdered a group of innocent people just to bring out the Winter Soldier escape so you can instead try to murder someone you know was brainwashed into it and someone you claim as a friend, Tony.
I get that they wanted me to be somewhat sympathetic to him there, but after he backhanded Steve to get to Bucky, I was like, wow, so Tony is the final villain of the movie?!
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That was my read on it, though I know fandom is split on several things in this movie. Tony is wearing the high-tech equivalent of a tank and has no compunction about beating on and murdering Steve and Bucky with it.
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You know who wasn't charming? Vision. Seriously, all of his interactions with Wanda came across as super skeevy and border-line abusive. Let me walk through the wall of your room after you've previously asked me not to. Let me tell you how scary you are and how everyone hates you and you need me to keep you safe. Let me tell you what's best for you and try to physically stop you from leaving after you've decided to go. ::shudders::
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You know who wasn't charming? Vision. Seriously, all of his interactions with Wanda came across as super skeevy and border-line abusive
Ugh, yes! Creepy and paternalistic. I get that there's a comics romance there that they're hinting at but I just wanted to nope out of every scene they shared.
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I was so happy that Vision got a taste of how it is when you're the one who made a mistake with your power. It hopefully shortened his high horse a bit.
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