Comments | musesfool: now you wanna use duct tape

musesfool

now you wanna use duct tape

Feb 04, 2010 22:31

I got home from my work thing (at Roc - it was very tasty) just in time to watch SPN.

Supernatural: The Song Remains the Same

( spoilers: the stuff I didn't like )

tv: supernatural: episode-related, tv: burn notice

Comments 31

tripoli February 5 2010, 04:40:22 UTC

musesfool February 5 2010, 05:31:08 UTC

This is just like with Gordon and Uriel, man. Yeah, I know we're *supposed* to think they're villains, but it's not because they aren't, you know, pretty much right about everything.

Well, Uriel was trying to bring Lucifer back, so he was wrong. Though you'd think in that case, he'd have been less nasty to Sam.

You know, so many many of my issues would have been resolved if they'd just had Castiel be the evil angel and Uriel the abrasive good guy.

I forgot all about that Cain and Abel thing because of how it makes no sense.

It's best to think of it as a metaphor. The archetypical first brothers who fought.

tripoli February 5 2010, 06:22:50 UTC

musesfool February 6 2010, 04:31:54 UTC

Well, if Uriel had just been all, "You know, I don't want anything to do with you icky humans, I want to go home and chillax with my bros," I would have given you him as not a bad guy, but wanting to free Lucifer automatically puts him in the same category as Zachariah and Ruby. (You can argue that Ruby was acting in what she thought was enlightened self-interest, and also religious fanaticism, and that it would not have gone well for her in the end, given Lucifer's attitude towards demons, so she's grayer than the show gives her credit for, given that we're taking the basic, "Demons = evil" line and not really moving it, though I'm wondering now if there won't be some demons *cough*Crowley and possible Meg*cough* seeking a more formal alliance with humanity via the Winchesters, knowing what they know about Lucifer's attitude. I wouldn't mind a ragtag band of threadbare angels, demons, and humans coming together to stop the apocalypse, but then, I did love Good Omens. I'd just hoped Anna would be around for it ( ... )

Thread 6

embroiderama February 5 2010, 05:04:35 UTC

For Uriel, I thought it was supposed to be the same meatsuit, just younger. Imagine that guy, having an angel hopping in and out of him for decades.

musesfool February 5 2010, 05:31:51 UTC

Yeah, I get that, but I still wish they hadn't done it the way they did, given the show's race issues.

moorspede February 5 2010, 10:29:49 UTC

I assumed that since Michael had a family line for meat suits, maybe Uriel also had one.

leavingslowly February 5 2010, 05:18:17 UTC

I was totally distracted by the fact that last time we saw Mary Azazel was building an army of psychic kids as a back-up . . . and apparently that was completely forgotten in this episode. One true vessel? Excuse me, but why all the effort of creating all those back-ups, then? Anna should have had a lot more babies to kill than Sam Winchester.

Seems like someone forgot to check their show history before they wrote this episode (yes, I'm looking at you, Kripke. Get control of your fucking story already).

musesfool February 5 2010, 05:32:37 UTC

The mytharc is never going to make sense. You shouldn't try to make it. You should just sit back and enjoy the family emo. Apparently it always had to be Sam! The other kids were just... decoys! or something.

leavingslowly February 5 2010, 05:34:35 UTC

I'm trying, but the angels seem to have hijacked the family emo, along with the storyline!

musesfool February 5 2010, 05:43:53 UTC

I dunno. Tonight was some primo family emo. Uh, sorry for rhyming.

Thread 5

writingpathways February 5 2010, 05:34:33 UTC

I am so glad I was unspoiled on Michael. that was awesome.

Uriel's vessel, I read that as it being the same guy -- the vessel's are bloodlines, Angel's aren't like with Demons, they have to be pickier with their vessels with the permission, and everything. I'm pretty sure they cast who they cast because it was the younger version of the same vessel we knew and loved. It was continuity more than anything else.

Also I didn't really see Anna as evil, she was thinking bigger picture -- sure she didn't need to threaten Mary and John but in a lot of ways everything the boys did and said in a way in this episode, showed they didn't totally disagree with Anna's plan of stopping their existence, just with killing their parents. And yeah I'm thrilled she told on Cas and gave him a hard time.

And it was tomato rice soup! Thank you, the sound blipped out at that point and I got very angry! I wanted to know what she did when he was sick damn it!

musesfool February 5 2010, 05:47:03 UTC

As I said above, I get that internally, Uriel's vessel was supposed to be the same guy, but I think that given the show's pattern of making all the black men (except Rufus) angry, violent, antagonistic and/or dead, I'd have rather they'd cast him differently this time.

I didn't really see Anna as evil

Well, she's not wrong, if in fact, Sam is the only vessel, then preventing his birth would keep Lucifer from being able to rise. I mean, sure, Sam being the only vessel from birth is a huge retcon, but whatever. And I was sympathetic to her, because I like her a lot, but I don't think the show did anything to make her sympathetic, if wrong in her approach, and I think they could have if they wanted to..

madeline871 February 5 2010, 05:41:46 UTC

it was tainted by Anna's turn as a villain

I really thought TPTB might try to come up with a way to make Anna the sympathetic baddie. Because honestly, this far into the game Anna's plan was kinda practical IMO. Obviously it was never going to succeed, but still.

Michael. Let's just give him a bullet point of his own

WORD! The actor did such a great job in this episode I have to assume he was trying to be the way he was for In the Beginning.

For me the big plot hole was Michael bringing Sam back. What better way to do away with Lucifer's vessel than to leave him dead back in 1978? Even with the bad I think this was one of the best eps of the season as whole.

musesfool February 5 2010, 05:56:36 UTC

Because honestly, this far into the game Anna's plan was kinda practical IMO. Obviously it was never going to succeed, but still.

Yeah, honestly. I mean, I was already sympathetic to her, and I lay a lot of blame at Castiel's feet for this, for turning her in. But I think if they'd had her at least talk to Mary first, the way Sam and Dean did, about not having John's kids or whatever, and then move into terminator mode when Mary refused, that would have been better.

For me the big plot hole was Michael bringing Sam back. What better way to do away with Lucifer's vessel than to leave him dead back in 1978? Even with the bad I think this was one of the best eps of the season as whole.

It's like why Lucifer left Dean alive in Abandon All Hope. They want the confrontation.

angelgazing February 5 2010, 06:07:31 UTC

It's like why Lucifer left Dean alive in Abandon All Hope. They want the confrontation.

So they can make out. Because they are in love.

Because there would be no show if they died now? I mean, for real this time.

I've also decided that the YED just wasn't let in on the knowledge that Sam was the one for Lucifer. Yes, I have also decided to phrase it that way. Anyway, the Winchester destiny was special Angel Eyes Only information. With worse security than the intersect.

musesfool February 6 2010, 21:56:14 UTC

Be truthful - we both know the crossed out answer is the right one.

Anyway, the Winchester destiny was special Angel Eyes Only information. With worse security than the intersect.

Could be. The Angels seem to have a lot of info the demons lack.