Comments | musesfool: it's all about the way you do the things you do

musesfool

it's all about the way you do the things you do

Mar 26, 2007 16:08

I have watched neither the BSG nor the Rome season finale. I am sort of detached from it all (though if you spoil me here in my own LJ, I will cut you). I don't know. The only shows I MUST watch as they air are Supernatural and Friday Night Lights. I enjoy Heroes, but am not overly fannish about it. I am still angry at Grey's. I kind of like having ( Read more... )

on reading, tl;dr, dean winchester, meta, writing: on titles & summaries, the boy/boy melodrama, fannishness, incest in fiction, writing: general

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devildoll March 26 2007, 20:37:09 UTC

I haven't watched the last three Romes yet, but intend to soon. I recorded the second run of Dresden and BSG because I was watching nature porn on the Discovery Channel during prime time. I really need TiVo. *sigh*

musesfool March 26 2007, 20:39:34 UTC

Dude, I couldn't live without my DVR now. It is SO AWESOME.

And with Rome, I figure I know what happens to the historical figures, but I must know how it turns out for Pullo and Vorenus!

hebrew_hernia March 26 2007, 20:44:10 UTC

This was definitely of interest to me, so thanks for posting it. I'm always interested in other people's thoughts on incest because it's such a major, major squick for me, and I'm not really sure why, especially when it doesn't seem to bother so much of fandom. (Like: I really wanted to read BWR, because you'd been posting so much about it and I knew that it would be amazing, and the parts I read were. But I couldn't finish it. Maybe I'll try again some other time.)

As for titling, what usually happens with me is that I give the doc that the story's in some sort of descriptive title (the characters and situation, usually in a telegraphic form that makes minimal sense) and write it from there. And then I get to a point where I'm like "I'm really ready to post this (or send it off to beta, ha) and I don't have a title!" And then I either pick a phrase or word from the story (which is really contrived, but by that point I really need the gratification of seeing it posted or receiving beta feedback) or I choose an appropriate lyric ( ... )

musesfool March 27 2007, 03:46:38 UTC

I'm always interested in other people's thoughts on incest because it's such a major, major squick for me, and I'm not really sure why, especially when it doesn't seem to bother so much of fandom.

Well, I won't say I'm not squicked by it, because I am. I just find the fascination overcomes the squick. I find my fascination with it disturbing, as well. So. There's that.

As for titling, what usually happens with me is that I give the doc that the story's in some sort of descriptive title (the characters and situation, usually in a telegraphic form that makes minimal sense) and write it from there

Well, if I don't already have a title in mind, the file just gets a character or descriptive name, yeah - "girl-sam" or "pie is love" or whatever. But I find that a lot of the time the titles I come up with early on do work. Possibly because I'm writing with them already in mind?

I just cannot see Ellen as sexy.

Ah well, mileage varies.

arby_m March 28 2007, 23:43:30 UTC

Well, I won't say I'm not squicked by it, because I am. I just find the fascination overcomes the squick. I find my fascination with it disturbing, as well.

I am you in this - I hate it that I'm so drawn to it, because on so many levels I want to disavow the 'cest and say that it's wrong - but I can't deny the fact that I am fascinated by it.

I know what you mean about the difference between Simon/River and Dean/Sam - River lives outside the norm in this fundamental way that neither Dean or Sam does - like she doesn't even know what's so wrong about saying she would be Simon's wife (in Our Mrs. Reynolds, IIRC).

musesfool March 29 2007, 16:08:46 UTC

Well, I can still say it's wrong and yet still enjoy reading about it. I mean, murder is wrong, and I love murder mysteries, you know?

River lives outside the norm in this fundamental way that neither Dean or Sam does - like she doesn't even know what's so wrong about saying she would be Simon's wifeRight. And of course, that also makes River far more problematic in *any* pairing - pre-movie, there are tons of consent issues - can River consent? Does she understand? If Simon (and Mal and everyone else) are in a position of protecting her, is in loco parentis over her, then he is betraying a trust on some level ( ... )

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musesfool March 27 2007, 03:52:11 UTC

That's part of Ellen and Jo's tragedy- they could be the other half of the Winchester clan. I love the idea of Jo being a little sister, which, as you say, Dean views her as, but the two women weren't brought into the game until too late.

Oh absolutely. But how would Dean respond if Jo really *were* suddenly his long-lost little sister? That to me is interesting. Does he have any room for another family member? Right now, I'm not sure he does, but would he even try? And how would Sam respond? So much that could be done there.

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musesfool March 28 2007, 00:59:48 UTC

Yeah, but a mother is different from a kid sister. I think Dean already feels generally protective of Jo (when it's not Sam threatening her), the way he feels protective of most people when he's hunting and they're in the line of fire. He'd probably struggle against feel any more protective of her - and she would resent him if he did - but I think he would slowly come around to it.

prysmicdork March 26 2007, 20:58:45 UTC

I've always thought that, had she been done right, Cassie really would have been an ideal love interest for Dean. Someone with her own life, but yeah a touchstone that he could go back to and after being clued in on the world of the weird could then potentially keep her eye out for cases.
Which maybe means that I wanted her to be Lois Lane?

musesfool March 27 2007, 03:53:19 UTC

Yeah, Cassie was botched - the actress wasn't very good, and that whole episode was just... bad.

Someone with her own life, but yeah a touchstone that he could go back to and after being clued in on the world of the weird could then potentially keep her eye out for cases.
Which maybe means that I wanted her to be Lois Lane?

Or Chloe Sullivan. Or Veronica Mars. But yes.

prysmicdork April 2 2007, 17:56:15 UTC

Other then that I agree with the vast potential of Ellen/Dean (sadly the one time I saw it mentioned in an interview Kripke said something like "but she's a mother figure!", which I don't think has actually been played out, in that sympathy /= mothering) and I think in a relationship with her he might be able to have both *the* life and *a* life (except Ellen might be soured on that after Bill). Plus you just can't discount proven chemistry.

musesfool April 3 2007, 19:59:41 UTC

Yeah, I didn't dig on Kripke eliminating Ellen from the possible "Sleeps with Dean" pool. They do have nice chemistry and I'm sure Dean appreciates a hot mature woman as much as he does a hot twentysomething.

ignipes March 26 2007, 21:22:22 UTC

I agree with your thoughts about endings. I don't like endings that are too neat. I like to think that where one story ends, another one has the potential to begin. I like it when there are still questions unanswered and problems unsolved -- that just means their lives are going to stay interesting. But I tend to be a fan of a few judicious loose ends in stories all throughout, not just with endings.

musesfool March 27 2007, 03:55:38 UTC

Yeah. I mean, I know as a writer I have trouble with rushing the ending and with wanting to make everything right and easy, and I've noticed it more and more lately in other people's stories, where I've felt that there was too neat a resolution or the story ended more quickly than I expected, and not just because I was so engrossed, which is a different kind of feeling, you know?