Interesting stuff. One thing I didn't quite get was:
When Buffy was servicing Angel's journey on AtS, she was depicted as a jealous bitch in "Sanctuary" or as a stupid bimbo in "The Girl in Question".
Not so sure about either characterization, there. In Sanctuary, she wasn't ready to forgive or trust Faith (with good reason, considering their history) and I don't think being wounded by what she saw as a betrayal by Angel was OOC for her (again, considering their history). And in "The Girl in Question", they don't really depict Buffy very much at all, except for the fleeting, ghostly image of her in the night club. Wasn't getting a "stupid bimbo" vibe from anything anyone said about her, unless getting a new boyfriend makes her stupid, somehow. That episode just gave me the impression of someone who was moving on with her life (which Angel and Spike then decide to try to do at the episode's end
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Not so sure about either characterization, there. In Sanctuary, she wasn't ready to forgive or trust Faith (with good reason, considering their history) and I don't think being wounded by what she saw as a betrayal by Angel was OOC for her (again, considering their history). And in "The Girl in Question", they don't really depict Buffy very much at all, except for the fleeting, ghostly image of her in the night club. Wasn't getting a "stupid bimbo" vibe from anything anyone said about her, unless getting a new boyfriend makes her stupid, somehow. That episode just gave me the impression of someone who was moving on with her life (which Angel and Spike then decide to try to do at the episode's end
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I admit, I was too harsh on Buffy's characterization for the argument's sake. Re: Angel - I really hope they'll introduce more convincing explanation.
Actually, your impression of Buffy as uber-bitch in Sanctuary was the same one I had, and it seemed a bit over-the-top IMO. She was the person who had literally "walked a mile" in someone else's shoes, and she certainly had a right to be angry, but at the end of WAY it was Riley, not Buffy, making the dismissive/judgmental remark "Well I guess she's had her fun now". (Of course, he had just slept with Faith in Buffy's body, and we can call that rape, but there was that awkwardness.) So maybe not OOC but a bit OOT?
I haven't seen TGiQ so I can't comment on that one.
What bugs me is Angel's phrase "Why does everyone have such a hard time getting this?" Um, Angel - because it didn't look that way
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It's not unsolvable. It's just that solving it is hard and takes time, and these writers don't respect their audience enough to take that much time or effort. :shrug:
In Gage's defence I can only say that he took a hopeless case, in a way. No matter how he writes Angel, the problem of his actions in season 8 looms over the character.
Angel's line: "Once we'd given the Twilight universe form, I was going to bring everyone over" - blatantly contradicts the events of #35. Angel was "given the Twilight universe form" on the last panel of #34. And in #35 he explicitly talked about himself and Buffy staying there.
I don't see that as a contradiction. We saw in 8.35 that the new universe was pretty much entirely a blank slate - literally so in the panels which were just a plain white background with Angel and Buffy standing in front of it. The universe was shaping itself around them, and changing in response to their thoughts - it looked like the Garden of Eden at first, then it looked like the Bronze. Buffy's clothes kept changing to suit her subconscious mood. In other words, the new universe wasn't finished, and still needed to be shaped into form before it could receive its new inhabitants.
'Tool' is a fairly mild slang word for penis, actually. Faith is saying that Angel is acting like a dick.
We saw in 8.35 that the new universe was pretty much entirely a blank slate - literally so in the panels which were just a plain white background with Angel and Buffy standing in front of it. The universe was shaping itself around them, and changing in response to their thoughts - it looked like the Garden of Eden at first, then it looked like the Bronze. Buffy's clothes kept changing to suit her subconscious mood. In other words, the new universe wasn't finished, and still needed to be shaped into form before it could receive its new inhabitants.
The new universe turned blank slate when Buffy declared that it's a Daffy Duck cartoon. Before that, it was a full-fledged paradize.
Apparently, the new dimension was shaped by its inhabitants' mental state.
Tool' is a fairly mild slang word for penis, actually. Faith is saying that Angel is acting like a dick.
Heeeee! I swear, I was clueless about the double-entendre!
I remember my dearest beta deird1 telling me that English is such a tricky language in regard to sexual innuendos. Almost every second combination of words may have a sexual connotation.
What do you know.....Moscow is rockin' my favorite avatar. <3 Anyways I just got the 'Live Through This" trade.....so I'm behind. And as much as I love Buffy I can't justify buying them both because I'm living pay check to pay-check...and yet...whenever I come in to scan through what's going on in S9....I get more and more confused or it's flown off the shelf :/....Luckily I scan through your notes every now and again....but here it is... a Faith AND Angel trade....how in the hell would I ever have gotten around buying that?!?!? :p
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When Buffy was servicing Angel's journey on AtS, she was depicted as a jealous bitch in "Sanctuary" or as a stupid bimbo in "The Girl in Question".
Not so sure about either characterization, there. In Sanctuary, she wasn't ready to forgive or trust Faith (with good reason, considering their history) and I don't think being wounded by what she saw as a betrayal by Angel was OOC for her (again, considering their history). And in "The Girl in Question", they don't really depict Buffy very much at all, except for the fleeting, ghostly image of her in the night club. Wasn't getting a "stupid bimbo" vibe from anything anyone said about her, unless getting a new boyfriend makes her stupid, somehow. That episode just gave me the impression of someone who was moving on with her life (which Angel and Spike then decide to try to do at the episode's end ( ... )
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Actually, your impression of Buffy as uber-bitch in Sanctuary was the same one I had, and it seemed a bit over-the-top IMO. She was the person who had literally "walked a mile" in someone else's shoes, and she certainly had a right to be angry, but at the end of WAY it was Riley, not Buffy, making the dismissive/judgmental remark "Well I guess she's had her fun now". (Of course, he had just slept with Faith in Buffy's body, and we can call that rape, but there was that awkwardness.) So maybe not OOC but a bit OOT?
I haven't seen TGiQ so I can't comment on that one.
What bugs me is Angel's phrase "Why does everyone have such a hard time getting this?" Um, Angel - because it didn't look that way ( ... )
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It's not unsolvable. It's just that solving it is hard and takes time, and these writers don't respect their audience enough to take that much time or effort. :shrug:
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In Gage's defence I can only say that he took a hopeless case, in a way. No matter how he writes Angel, the problem of his actions in season 8 looms over the character.
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I don't see that as a contradiction. We saw in 8.35 that the new universe was pretty much entirely a blank slate - literally so in the panels which were just a plain white background with Angel and Buffy standing in front of it. The universe was shaping itself around them, and changing in response to their thoughts - it looked like the Garden of Eden at first, then it looked like the Bronze. Buffy's clothes kept changing to suit her subconscious mood. In other words, the new universe wasn't finished, and still needed to be shaped into form before it could receive its new inhabitants.
'Tool' is a fairly mild slang word for penis, actually. Faith is saying that Angel is acting like a dick.
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The new universe turned blank slate when Buffy declared that it's a Daffy Duck cartoon. Before that, it was a full-fledged paradize.
Apparently, the new dimension was shaped by its inhabitants' mental state.
Tool' is a fairly mild slang word for penis, actually. Faith is saying that Angel is acting like a dick.
:))))) I'm an idiot, LOL!
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Hahah, no you're not!
Although I admit I always thought you were purposefully using Xander's quote as a double-entendre in this icon of yours I snagged. :D
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I remember my dearest beta deird1 telling me that English is such a tricky language in regard to sexual innuendos. Almost every second combination of words may have a sexual connotation.
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What do you know.....Moscow is rockin' my favorite avatar. <3 Anyways I just got the 'Live Through This" trade.....so I'm behind. And as much as I love Buffy I can't justify buying them both because I'm living pay check to pay-check...and yet...whenever I come in to scan through what's going on in S9....I get more and more confused or it's flown off the shelf :/....Luckily I scan through your notes every now and again....but here it is... a Faith AND Angel trade....how in the hell would I ever have gotten around buying that?!?!? :p
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Here's a link specially for you: Lee Garbett's Fuffy test cover.
http://www.leegarbett.com/2012/07/gotta-have-faith.html
He will draw A&F #15.
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Oh YEAH, that's the stuff---Thanks for the linkage girl....it's soOooooo pretty. :D
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