Comments | mimesh: No angels in Supernatural?

mimesh

No angels in Supernatural?

Feb 04, 2007 23:33

I just finished watching Supernatural(2x13) and I have to admit that I have been very surprised about what we learn about Dean and Sam's view on religion.

After catching up with the reviews on my flist I realize that this is a sensitive topic for some of you. Therefore my views and questions go ( under the cut )

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Comments 14

izzardwizzard February 4 2007, 22:50:47 UTC

I refrained from commenting on this ep for two reasons: 1) as you say it is a sensitive topic, and 2) I honestly thought it was kinda crap, and that's probably the most unpopular thing I could say right now.

*hides from the rotten fruit being thrown my way*

Dean's resistance to angels and God made no sense to me. I see why maybe the writers wanted to implant that doubt in him so he could be brought around in the end, but it felt forced and completely illogical. Maybe they were trying to be sensitive, but their method was flawed, and the result was a big WTF?

But that's just me. ^_^

Smallville, on the other, is reaching new heights of goofiness. It's so bad it's so very, very good. *snorts*

brynneeryn February 4 2007, 23:52:03 UTC

So Smallville has gotten goofier? Is that possible after Season 1, where the girl morphed into some sort of twisted version of Stephen King's Thinner, and then started eating people (and deer) to sastify her krypotonite-based hunger? lol! Awww Clark, he's just so... Clark.

izzardwizzard February 5 2007, 00:06:30 UTC

Oh yes. I've started watching Smallville again as the lead-in to Supernatural, and I don't know if it's my mood or what but...*leans in close and whispers* I think I'm actually enjoying it more, just for sheer mindless entertainment purposes. It's sooooooo silly, and every ep Tom shows us his remarkable range of acting from A all the way to B. It's a trip. Although Lana still makes me wanna stab my tv with a pitchfork.

mimesh February 5 2007, 14:56:19 UTC

No rotten fruit from my direction, I promise. ;)

The weird thing is that I actually liked this episode but Dean's struggle to accept God and angels really made no sense. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that. If they plan on flirting with the subject more in future episodes, I hope they handle it better.

Oh dear, I think the last time I watched Smallville was sometime during the first season. But my sister still watches it and she kept saying that things were getting crazier by each episode.

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mimesh February 5 2007, 14:58:34 UTC

It just hit me after watching this how completely neglected the Light Side and any mythology surrounding it has been so far. I don't even have made up my mind yet about how I want it to be presented. A very strong and open religious Sam would be indeed weird which shows once again what a fine line the writers are walking regarding this issue. But Dean's straight out refusal to accept God and angels just felt off - especially considering the religious acts they perform while hunting.

If they only wanted to introduce the Light Side and plan on integrating it more permanently in the story line, I really hope it will make more sense than it did in this episode. They could have done that without Dean's illogical point of view in my opinion but I don't really want to be in Kripke's shoes when it comes to handling this topic. ;)

Oh, and I totally forgot to comment on your post and say that I adored your pictures! :)

modillian February 4 2007, 23:06:02 UTC

mimesh February 5 2007, 15:02:27 UTC

You must have edited your post after I read it because I don't recall you addressing this subject or I would have mentioned it ( ... )

modillian February 5 2007, 16:18:10 UTC

petiii February 4 2007, 23:39:05 UTC

Yes, I see it the same way. I take demons and angels as a set. Bipolarity, balance, like you said - two sides of the same coin ( ... )

mimesh February 5 2007, 15:04:22 UTC

That is a very interesting concept that there can be good in the demon and vice versa. You have to tell me more about this once you have finished the book! I'm really interested in this.

I agree, that the ending of the episode seems to indicate that there is a higher power but I'm not sure that Father Gregory was really an angel. True, the other spirits they vanquished didn't fade out in that bright light, or did they? I can't really remember. But I thought he was really a spirit because he could be summoned but that his intentions weren't that much different from God's will. (Although I find this revenge stuff very difficult)

brynneeryn February 4 2007, 23:48:31 UTC

The only conclusion that I could come to, as to why Dean was so skeptical, was that he's only encountered supernatural beings that are evil or harmful--that's how he lost his mom, and later, his dad, and he's spent his whole life struggling to exist in a place where the bad could overcome the good very easily.

So maybe it's not that he doesn't think that the heavenly side exists, but that he's doubtful about their interest in him or Sam, or in his struggles on Earth.

Does that makes sense at all? Because I'm not sure if it does, but like you, I assumed that if you acknowledge demons and spirits and hell, that you'd also recognize heaven, etc.

mimesh February 5 2007, 15:05:14 UTC

So maybe it's not that he doesn't think that the heavenly side exists, but that he's doubtful about their interest in him or Sam, or in his struggles on Earth.

You know, I can live with that and that makes sense to me. But I'm not sure if you are giving the writers too much credit because that's not the first conclusion I would draw from this episode. Dean flat out refused to accept that angels exist but I really like your interpretation and I can imagine that this was the reasoning behind his denial but they handled it poorly.