Comments | midnightranter: Can't See the Fields for the Forrest

midnightranter

Can't See the Fields for the Forrest

Jun 11, 2006 00:00

This weekend, among other things, a lot of bad war things happened. This was originally going to be about the Israeli (excus me, ALLEGED Israeli) battleship (because, as we all know, the Syrian and Lebanese Navies are massive with flotillas of battleships and destroyers) allegedly shelling alleged people (Ms. Meir herself said there were no ( Read more... )

nazis, prejudice, stupidity, slavery, anger, self-righteous

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Irony All Around blueeyesblazing June 11 2006, 20:14:19 UTC

Yes, I'd be ironic if they were elxclusive. But you can, I'm sure, find out weather or not they are.

And I agree with you wholeheartedly about letting them speak. I had a discussion about this with some one maybe last month. He files "hate speach" under slander (or was i libal?). Personally, I don't think "hate speach" is mentioned by he First Amendment, and secondly, outlawing "hate speach" is vauge enough ot open the door to outlawing say... insulting those who hold traditional values, those in government, mainline political parties... ect.

Personally, I believe the responsibility for shouting these people down is on us, not on the government. I think people who would rather hand that responsibility over to the government are weak and cowardly.

Re: Irony All Around midnightranter June 12 2006, 00:57:00 UTC

well hate speech can be slander (if spoken. written, it's libel) if directed at a specific individual and mentions specific acts, deeds, or other things meant ot harm or destroy a reputation, cause financial damage or otherwise tangibly harm someone else. Me saying you're a woman, is not slander. Me calling you a bitch, is also not really slander, just mean. Me saying you're a woman and therefore are bad at your work since you can't do math as well as a man is possibly hate speech and definitely slander (or libel, if I'm writing it).
Not a lawyer, jsut riased by one and drink with many on occasion.

Re: Irony All Around blueeyesblazing June 12 2006, 02:33:27 UTC

Actually, you rais a good point, and I think you and I agree. Given that libel and slander were already defigned and illegal before the cute little term "hate speach" was coined, you above example was ilibel (written), slander (spoken) before anyone decided it was also hate speach.

Also, thank you for clearing up libel and slander.

The SOBs blueeyesblazing June 11 2006, 20:27:42 UTC

Members are non-stereotypical jews who should have at least three of the following traits (though we accept anybody foolish enough to ride with us):

It appears they do not discriminate.

Re: The SOBs midnightranter June 12 2006, 00:51:43 UTC

yeah, but if they WERE any kind of exclusive, would they say so there?

Re: The SOBs blueeyesblazing June 12 2006, 02:29:39 UTC

If they were, while they likely wouldn't say so, they wouldn't make a point of saying they were inclusive. Also note how they are not uptight about poking fun at steriotypes of Jewish people. I can't say for sure. It's entirely possible they are lying about being inclusive, but it doesn't look like they are excusive.

Re: The SOBs midnightranter June 12 2006, 15:26:46 UTC

well, true and I highly doubt they actually are, but it wasa a point to raise for further thought.

re: The SOBs anonymous June 14 2006, 15:21:57 UTC

As an SOB, I can attest that we are as inclusive as anybody, as long as you ride a MC. We have Jews, Christians, gays, straights, liberals, conservatives, and everybody in between.

But it sounds like you won't necessarily believe me anyway LOL.