Supernatural season finale

[meganbmoore]

So, as many of you know, I am quite fond of the first two seasons of Supernatural, but broke up with it when I started hearing about season 3. Then i actually watched season 3, and the lingering fondness kinda died

Comments

[ivy_chan]

...I suppose I should be glad that I never bothered to watch this show.

[havocthecat]

You really, really should.

Nice icon, btw. ;)

[meganbmoore]

Season 1 is pretty solid, though, like many genre shows, a bit rocky at times, and woefully lacking in a supporting cast. Season 2 is largely good and kicks of the show's mytharc, and introduces Jo and Ellen, two female hunters who just disappear, instead of dying or being evil, but it also starts the show's gender and race problems. season 3 is when the shows race and gender (especially gender) problems turn overwhelming. Season 2's recurring female characters were a 20~ daughter of a hunter who wanted to be a hunter herself, and her mother, the wife of a (dead) hunter who ran a bar that was a meeting/information place for hunters. Season 4's recurring female characters were a villified thief and a demon who was trying to help them, but who Dean endlessly insulted (usually using gendered insults) even as she was actively saving his life. And Lilith was the season's ultimate evil, and little girls are creepy.

[prozacpark]

I think the show's gender problems started at its conception? The entire heroic journey of the men is motivated by not one but TWO refrigerated women. And when it wasn't actively killing women or turning them evil, it was still always ignoring them as people. Which is unforgivable.

And, well, why did Jessica have to DIE to motivate Sam? Why could she not have had some past tragedy that motivated her to go along with him on his journey and push him in that direction by making that choice first? Sigh. It was a nice idea for a show, but it never not failed at gender issues.

[ulkis]

Based on the shows history regarding female death, I'm sure there was writhing and pinning involved.

No, thankfully there was none of that. It was pretty quick. (Re: Ruby, there was an episode where a certain demon tied up and tortured Ruby, and she was naked. Fast foward a couple of episodes later, the same demon ties up and tortures Sam, except he's fully clothed. *That* really bugged me.)

I think Ruby had to die, but I would have liked it if her death was done differently, yes.

[meganbmoore]

I'm pretty sure the only reason Ruby had to die is because the show is allergic to non-evil female characters being around for more than a few episodes. And it prefers dead women to live ones.

Unfortunately, what you describe is the exact kind of thing I expect from the show.

[lady_ganesh]

Yeah, I think I'm out. Though I haven't seen the finale yet. I feel obligated to watch the damn finale. I am pretty much an idiot.

[meganbmoore]

You can tell me how bad it is.

[lady_ganesh]

chash tells me the angel stuff wasn't as insufferable as I'm afraid it will be, but the race/gender stuff never bothers her as much as it does me, so we'll see.

[prozacpark]

When people were reccing "Supernatural" to me in season three because they thought I might like Bela (which, DUH) or Ruby, I always said that I would go back and watch season three if both of them survived that season. Bela, of course, didn't, and now Ruby is gone, too.

I...don't have much to say about "Supernatual" that I haven't said already, but it should not be possible for a show I'm not even watching to offend and enrage me as much as "Supernatural" does. Like, this has reached Hemingway levels of rage, AND YOU KNOW THAT IS BAD.

[meganbmoore]

Technically, Ruby died too. She just came back in a new body. The highlight of the season is when she literally spends a minute or two kicking the*hem* out of Dean. Like, I really, really loved Dean early on? But season 3 turned it to outright hate.

[spiritualizer]

SPN seasons 3&4 kinda ruined the show for me, especially 4. idk, there's really only a small handful of episodes worth watching past "All Hell Breaks Loose." Ruby, in my opinion, was an incredibly contradictive character (a "good" demon? No.) Bela at least made me laugh. Season four was just ridiculous. Angst, angst, demon-screwing, angst, demon-blood-drinking, angst, Abel and Cain. It was like watching a train wreck.

The finale was... now that I've had time to think, borderline disappointing, though I can't seem to dislike anything Eric Kripke does himself in the series. Season five better redeem the disaster season four made SPN or I'll hit my head on a desk.

[meganbmoore]

In season 3, at least, I don't think Ruby was shown as "good" so much as not being on board with what the rest of the demons were up to, and seeing allying herself with the Winchesters as being the best way to to address it.