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sisterjune June 1 2011, 01:48:12 UTC
Ha. I just saw this posted at romancenovels and it turns out we can thank the mormon church for this one. explains alot doesnt it? this was the link btw if you are curious, read the comments: http://romancenovels.livejournal.com/652149.html (or you may have already seen it IDK)
Glad to see you back btw :) I am hoping I can go to wiscon next year.

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meganbmoore June 1 2011, 02:43:18 UTC
That's where I got it, though I haven't read the comments yet.

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a_white_rain June 1 2011, 01:50:14 UTC
wut

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meganbmoore June 1 2011, 02:42:30 UTC
Clearly, your feeble female mind is not capable of processing the brilliant deductions regarding what fiction is and is not good for you.

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a_white_rain June 1 2011, 02:53:52 UTC
wut

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animeshon June 1 2011, 01:52:00 UTC
I find ideas like this problematic. On the one hand I agree that they help to perpetuate stereotypes and ideologies on romance that are dangerously inaccurate and can lead to heartbreak.

At the same time however these ideas don't seem to allow for the agency of women to realise that these are false and yet still enjoy them for pure entertainment. There seems to be an idea that women must be rescued from themselves because all women are incapable of separating fiction from reality.

For myself I blame a lot of my skewed romantic notions on reading Mills & Boon at a formative age (I started at about 12), but equally responsible are Disney's portrayals of romance which in many ways parallel those of romance novels. Now that I am older and more self-aware I am able to pick through the "distorted messages" in some of these novels.

Perhaps we should be looking towards educating women about competing ideologies of romance rather than trying to rescue them from themselves!

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meganbmoore June 1 2011, 02:41:05 UTC
Or maybe just let women think for themselves in general?

I tend to think that women who find themselves disillusioned with RL romantic options are influenced less by fictionalized romantic ideals and more by awareness of patriarchy and social expectations/double standards growing faster than the world is actually changing.

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animeshon June 1 2011, 02:46:29 UTC
There does seem to be a tendency to try to limit women from thinking about anything too weigty!

I think your point about awareness of patriarchy and social expectations is valid. And perhaps it also remains to be questioned why these romantic stories are so popular? If this is just one media perpetuating these ideals then the political economy model would suggest that they would shift towards the mainstream.

To be honest I haven't really read any Mills & Boon offerings in the last 5 years or so and so my opinion is fairly out of date and of course my understanding of the genre was formed when I was a teenager and the "rape her until she loves you" trope was still quite heavily in play. And the virgin heroine was certainly the centre of the Mills & Boon series which was in part involved in my immediate determination that I had to be in love with the first guy I slept with because that was how the world worked. Of course there was nothing really in the world which argued with this ideal, at least not in my tiny part of the world.

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rosehiptea June 1 2011, 01:53:31 UTC
Thank you for condescending to me, stupid article.

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meganbmoore June 1 2011, 02:37:36 UTC
Where are all the articles preaching the dangers of men reading spy/action/terrorist novels?

Oh, wait, they don't have sex and men have much stronger minds. Because, as we know, a 17th century pirate is SUCH a more plausible danger than a guy on the street with a gun.

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rosehiptea June 1 2011, 02:57:20 UTC
I still remember a guy in high school trying to convince me that romance novels were "dangerous" because of the false illusions in them, while he worshiped Star Trek and thought it was basically real. I tried pointing out the contradiction and he honestly started defending how important Star Trek was. I gave up, of course.

What gets to me is the undertone these articles usually have of "You don't want women getting ideas about romance because then they might expect too much!"

(I mean, yes, anyone who expects real life to be like a romance novel is going to have a problem, but still... the whining of "Now your man won't be good enough for you!" annoys me.)

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walkwithheroes June 1 2011, 02:09:08 UTC
Romance novels are not my thing. But I understand why people enjoy them. (My mother read romance novels as a teen, only stopping when having kids took time away from her hobby - her marriage turned out fine.)That said, I do think that some of the stereotypes in the novels, along with the cliched plots and overly romanticized situations aren't the best things to read. But, I've never met anyone who reads romance novels for a good and solid read. Romance novels are more about entertainment ( ... )

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meganbmoore June 1 2011, 02:35:28 UTC
I'd actually argue that non-romance novel romantic things can amplify some of the problems (contemporary kdramas, for example, tend to aggravate me more than romance novels when it comes to misunderstandings/not explaining things/being self sacrificing because it seems to LAST FOREVER, while a lot of romantic movies feel like they're stripping the plots of everything but the need for a woman to land a man) even though they're much better about some of the other problems. Admittedly, 99% of my romance novel reading "is comedy of manners...sometimes with sex" or "swashbuckler-ish/toned-down-swashbuckler-ish type with female lead and sex" so while I'm still critical of that, I usually mnage to avoid the really bad stuff.

Also, the first romance novels I read were my mother's dog eared Kathleen Woodiwiss books. She's been married for 35 years to one guy who she has an active sex life with and has plenty going on in her life.

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walkwithheroes June 2 2011, 05:16:40 UTC
(contemporary kdramas, for example, tend to aggravate me more than romance novels when it comes to misunderstandings/not explaining things/being self sacrificing because it seems to LAST FOREVER, while a lot of romantic movies feel like they're stripping the plots of everything but the need for a woman to land a man) even though they're much better about some of the other problems.

I would agree with you. The weird thing is that most modern romantic comedies are basically "chick lit"/romance novels put to the screen. Which, as you said, tend to amplify some of the issues more that, say, a romance novel about pirates or something.

And, you know, a lot of classic literature novels, could be defined as a type of romance novel: Jane Austen novels for example. Or the classic comedy of manners type novels from around the 1800s.

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