Deadlands / Doomtown survey

[matgb]

Dude. Dude!. Pinnacale have switched to Wordpress as a CMS, and have a nice little survey going. What games have you played of ours, and, um, what would you like to buy next. One of the options is a CCG.

Pinnacle want to know if we'd like a Deadlands themed CCG.Now, my ever humlbe and loving friends list. Don't all queue up at once. Go tell

Comments

[mapp]

Here's hoping that they go "let's remake Doomtown!" then, as it's just about the only CCG that I've managed to enjoy playing enough to really get into.

[matgb]

If they remade it, it would likely be a major remake, there are lots of things I'd do different, and I'm not a full on games designer.

Blessing and curse is David Williams is gone from the industry; great ideas man, but not the best at implementing rules wot make sense...

[granjero]

Agreed, me and Laurence discussed the changes we'd make a while back. Down to six factions, unify all spells in to a single type, completely rewrite movement...

[matgb]

Um, was I in on that conversation, or have we got exactly the same plan without talking about it?

I'd also switch it so that most characters are non-unique, as the unique rules really mess up mirror matches in a bad way and can make the game Not Fun.

[shakalooloo]

Got to remember though, that their last solo attempt at a CCG (Lost Colony: Showdown) sank without a trace.

[matgb]

Well, yes, but that was because a) the art was all done by one artist, never a good plan, especially because I hated it, b) the game sucked c) the background sucked d) they released the CCG first, so no fan base e) they didn't know what they were doing.

If they were to redo DT, then, um, they'd have a lot of stuff to build on, and could get away initially with reprints at least as far as art was concerned.

[matgb]

Oh yeah, I agree, it's not going to be a major game, but if they knew that already and kept costs/expectations low, it could work.

I'd personally release a factory set for the base set. 2 of each card, with some preconstructeds to get starting and some basic deckbuilding ideas. Players buy it, if they like it, they buy a few more sets, then maybe a small expansio every 6 months or so. Nothing major, just something that can tick over in the background.

[shakalooloo]

They really are interested in capturing the female market aren't they? Judging by their survey, I mean.

And it reminds me that I still need to actually try out Hell on Earth and Reloaded...

[theweaselking]

Reloaded is brilliant. It's Deadlands, just much less crunchy when it comes to the mechanics. It's faster and simpler and my only objection to it is a side effect of the Savage Worlds mechanics: In Deadlands, where armor isn't useful and the weapons are very damaging, a starting character who isn't built to be super-tough stands a good chance of spending most of every fight Shaken and incapable of taking action, or of spending all their chips just avoiding that result.

And this problem goes away quickly as you gain a bit of XP, or if you just avoid ever getting shot, which I admit is totally a great plan, just not always totally practical.

Hell On Earth - meh, I'd skip it, myself. It never really grabbed me.

I suppose a big part of the problem...

[shakalooloo]

...Is that if you do a full reset, it loses the depth of background and annoys old Doomtown players. If you don't, then it's absolute hell for new players to get into. If you do a "restricted" format with a new base set, then probably nobody's happy. As much as it pains me, with my 35 litres of Doomtown cards, I think only a clean start can possibly work- though crossover would be welcome, ie old characters in a new game

Re: I suppose a big part of the problem...

[shakalooloo]

Whoops, some would have guessed but I forgot to give my name. I clearly lose at the internet. It's Andrew Cunningham, 2 Pairs if you like, AndrewC if you read the right lists.