Question for fic writers of Mature or Explicit content regarding ff.net....

[lossefalme]

Okay so... I'm sure we all know that fanfiction.net does not technically allow explicit content on thier site. However, I have come across many many MANY fics there which contain explicit content that is clearly a violation of ff.net's guidelines. ;) The authors almost always label the chapter or story ahead of time, however, and not like I'm

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[zomgitsalaura]

you might wanna hold of a while in light of this happening at the moment -> http://wtffanfiction.tumblr.com/post/24378135516/important-mass-deletion-of-stories-on-fanfiction-net
they're on a bit of a rampage because they're on school holidays, but it might die down in a while.
Bad critics *shakes head*

[themarshal]

Egads! I had no idea it had come to that... By and large I've kept anything even remotely explicit out of my stories, but my latest one does have a briefly explicit scene in it...

I wonder what the stories that they're doing this to are actually like?

[lossefalme]

OMG. That is .... unspeakably horrible and rude. If I ever experience those jerks doing that to any of my stories, or any of my friend's stories, I will promptly copy and paste their horrible words and report them. Isn't there a way to directly report a review that qualifies as harrasement or flaming? I was thinking that the review box itself has a button you can push immediately to report the person as behaving against regulations. If I were those authors, even if my story had broken the rules, I would report them to ff.net moderators immediately! That crap needs to be stopped!

[voyevoda]

You can email support at ff.net and report them as a whole (I did as such this weekend). What the group is doing constitutes as bullying and harrassment and is definitely against the guidelines they claim to be upholding.

[tersa]

voyevoda just commented on SLF that she'd been banned for an MA fic she posted six years ago.

I don't use FF.net, but given that example, I would say don't risk it.

(Personally, I'm of the opinion that the best way AO3 will get more readers is if FF.net continues to drive people there. So I'm all for encouraging the migration!)

[lossefalme]

Crap. Well I think I won't risk it then for sure. :S Eesh!

I agree I much prefer AO3, I like their layout more and for sure they are far friendlier as people than ff.net seems to be. But I've had some difficulty in posting, mainly, I really hate having to do the html coding. I've only posted one story so I haven't done too much digging around there yet... I'm just hoping there's a way to directly upload a document like at ff.net or at the very least copy and paste without losing the formatting, because I just can't format everything, it makes me want to spork my eyes out. :P So I need to work that out...

Other than that, however, I do prefer AO3. Maybe eventually everyone will transistion over there! :)

[tersa]

I'm just hoping there's a way to directly upload a document like at ff.net or at the very least copy and paste without losing the formatting

Depends on what formatting you mean?

I don't see a way to schlurp in a document, but I just poked around at the Rich Text editor and it preserved some text I had bolded (formatted) in a Word document in the c&p. Additionally, the Rich Text editor has a menu bar that looks eerily similar to Tumblr's Rich Text editor. There also appears to be a 'Paste from Word' button on top of the Rich Text editor window that may preserve even more formatting?

I don't know, since I moved from posting in LJ to posting in AO3, so HTML mark-up and formatting comes second-nature to me as part of the writing process.

But that may help. :)

[lossefalme]

OHHHHhhhh! I bet the Rich Text Editor would work!!! I guess I just didn't even think to use that one, bah.

[xenzen]

In the past, I've edited out the explicit scenes and just put a line or two filling where things just 'fade to black', so to speak, and post a comment saying I had an NC-17 edition of that chapter. If people wanted to read it, they could send me a private message assuring me they were of age (rather flimsy as a cover-your-ass measure, I admit), and I sent them a link to it.

Better to be safe than sorry, in my opinion; this is why I haven't posted my F!Warden/Varel kink meme fills to ff.net, instead putting them on a sock-puppet LJ journal.

[lossefalme]

Yes, from the comments circulating here I think something like this would be a much safer measure. Especially with those crazy Critics United prowling around ff.net, yikes!! :(

[contrariwise]

I pulled all my naughty stuff from ff.net way back when they got rid of the NC-17 rating and haven't really posted since, but if I were going to, I'd do something like what you said. Maybe post the full version on AO3 and a 'fade to black' on ff.net with an author's note saying where to find the full chapter?

[xenzen]

Except ff.net doesn't allow you to put hyperlinks in your fic, unless you go the clumsy route of doing something like archiveofourown dot org or something. Hell, they even removed the links to pictures I had on my ffnet profile page.

[xahra99]

I have a lot of stuff posted on ff.net but cross-post to AO3, livejournal, and dreamwidth. I started out on ff.net and have a few readers but lately A03 seems to be where it's at

[lossefalme]

Sounds like I'll probably go this route! :P Right now I generally have implied sexual situations between adults and then fade to black, with maybe a few vague mentions of details but nothing explicit brought up in later thoughts or dialogue. And these are within a much longer story, and precisely follow the guidelines for the rating of M. So I don't think anyone can rightfully complain about what I have there now.

I will probably just create two versions of those chapters and give a link on the ff.net one. All of my readers are at ff.net so far, and I've gathered up quite a slew over the years, so I hate to pick and leave all together, or be banished. Haha. But something like having two different versions I think would give the best of both worlds!

[xahra99]

I think 'and then they had sex' would probably be acceptable.
Although I seem to remember reading an article on writing that said that if a sex scene could be broken down to 'and then they had sex' without losing any information then it probably didn't need to be there in the first place...

[tersa]

What is this 'didn't need' concept?

Sometimes there just needs to be sex! :)

[nomoreprinces]

I quit posting there back in 2002 when the initial MA ban was put in place. IIRC correctly it was at the behest of some mommy groups and jkrowling regarding the explicit HP stuff. Considering who/why the ban was in place, I doubt any petitioning is going to work.

I moved to my own private server, and left links to the stories instead of the actual stories for about 3 months before I cleared out my account and let it go to pasture. I'd say all my fans found me back then and were quite happy to have their own little hideaway on the net for my work. That was 10 years ago though and I've since quit writing in that fandom that made me popular and I haven't written much since.

[pkbitchgirl]

The MA ban was over a Power Rangers story called "Agony in Pink" where the Pink Ranger was brutally tortured and murdered, they got so many complaints about it that they banned MA fic

The real person fiction ban was due to people writing real person slash featuring Elijah Wood and the then 12/13 year old Daniel Ratcliffe, Ratcliffe's mother threatened to sue the site and I heard an athlete threatened to sue the site as well

[lossefalme]

Oh dear lord. *facepalm*