partol? partrol? or patrol? I think that if Peter Jackson exchanges the feasts for a patrol he runs into problems: the dwarves approach the elves mainly because they are hungry and because they are going to beg for food. (When I read this part, I began to consider the moral problems of the situation, which are actually quite similar to some of today's political problems: Do the elves have the right to take the dwarves prisoners just for passing through their country, or for approaching their feasts? And what about the orcs: do they have the right to take the dwarves prisoners for passing through their country? And what about us in our world: do we have the right to take people prisoners just for passing through the country?)
I had not yet seen the pictures of Thranduil, but I had seen the picture of Thorin taking a photo of the Misty Mountains with his digital camera.
Question is how PJ would want to bring the low rations into the movie (due to the time issue). It would make more sense if an elvish patrol finds the dwarfes passing through their country. Since many Kingdoms in Tolkien's World don't have border it's more difficult to say how they handle foreigners. Badly, I suspect, since travelers don't seem to be a normal occurance. Even merchants stick to regional routes. Unless they have good reason, not many people seem to pass over the Misty Mountains at all. Too dangerous or too much of a detour, if the Gap of Rohan is the only guarded passage. Orc Kingdoms are even more difficult. I would say the Free People don't offical recognise the claim. But the smarter Lords will try to remember the locations of these so called Kingdoms, because there would be the highst population of orcs. Rivaling orc tribes ro kingdoms would be interesting as well. I am amazed how our heros also stumple over orc patrols at random intervals.
I guess that in Middle Earth people just decide: this or that is my kingdom, and the size of the kingdom depends on their ability to defend the borders of the kingdom. (Btw, at Hobbitcon I learnt that the Shire is about one and a half times as big as Belgium or the Netherlands, and almost as big as Ireland. It's not a small country.)
I guess you are correct and there's not much traffic in Middle Earth...
I haven't heard how Peter Jackson will handle the passage of Mirkwood when the dwarves are almost starving. It's one of my favorite chapters of the book, but I can imagine that it is beyond Peter Jackson's scope - he's good at action scenes, but not with small, quiet problems.
Yes, Arda is huge and much bigger than it looks on the map. This is part of Pj's problem, because no matter how much he tries, he has only a certain amount of time and the Hobbit is full of subplots that surface in the movie. Personally I would be fine if they adjust the starving dwarfes to lost dwarfes if we get more White Council. This time PJ doesn't have to cut down three books into three films, but has to turn one single point of view (Bilbo from to Book) into one Hobbit, thirteen dwarfes and more. The action I actually place into the last film, since we need the build up between Thorin and Bilbo, the elves and the dwarfes and the good vs the bad guys.
But my judgement is baised through the amount of respect I have for PJ anyway and I don't have the literate knowledge to truly appreciate Tolkien's writing skills.
But... that throne, with the horns over T's head... don't they know that, in many cultures, "wearing horns" implies that one's spouse is cheating on one? It's even in the Wikipedia entry for cuckold.
This is so great, I can't even ... XD But perhaps the Sindar have different customs? The Noldor are all bent on marriage, but the Sindar could be more lax in these boundaries? It has been studied that the tribe will care more for the children, when the mother had mutiple partners and the males can only guess if they are the responsible one?
But I definitely remember your input. *searches for like button* XD
Well, Elwe and Olwe seem to have long-term spouses without Noldorin interference... in fact they had fewer problems in this regard than Finwe. But sure, I don't necessarily buy the Laws and Customs in full even for the Noldor.
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PJ also mention something like "hallucinatory" when he described Mirkwood.
Mushrooms! :)
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I had not yet seen the pictures of Thranduil, but I had seen the picture of Thorin taking a photo of the Misty Mountains with his digital camera.
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Question is how PJ would want to bring the low rations into the movie (due to the time issue). It would make more sense if an elvish patrol finds the dwarfes passing through their country. Since many Kingdoms in Tolkien's World don't have border it's more difficult to say how they handle foreigners. Badly, I suspect, since travelers don't seem to be a normal occurance. Even merchants stick to regional routes. Unless they have good reason, not many people seem to pass over the Misty Mountains at all. Too dangerous or too much of a detour, if the Gap of Rohan is the only guarded passage.
Orc Kingdoms are even more difficult. I would say the Free People don't offical recognise the claim. But the smarter Lords will try to remember the locations of these so called Kingdoms, because there would be the highst population of orcs. Rivaling orc tribes ro kingdoms would be interesting as well. I am amazed how our heros also stumple over orc patrols at random intervals.
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I guess you are correct and there's not much traffic in Middle Earth...
I haven't heard how Peter Jackson will handle the passage of Mirkwood when the dwarves are almost starving. It's one of my favorite chapters of the book, but I can imagine that it is beyond Peter Jackson's scope - he's good at action scenes, but not with small, quiet problems.
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The action I actually place into the last film, since we need the build up between Thorin and Bilbo, the elves and the dwarfes and the good vs the bad guys.
But my judgement is baised through the amount of respect I have for PJ anyway and I don't have the literate knowledge to truly appreciate Tolkien's writing skills.
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I guess that's why she's never around.
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But perhaps the Sindar have different customs? The Noldor are all bent on marriage, but the Sindar could be more lax in these boundaries? It has been studied that the tribe will care more for the children, when the mother had mutiple partners and the males can only guess if they are the responsible one?
But I definitely remember your input. *searches for like button* XD
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But sure, I don't necessarily buy the Laws and Customs in full even for the Noldor.
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