RoM - Chapter Seven - general, political

[esteven]

'Could we not eat it in our hand?' asked Stephen. 'Like a sandwich

Comments

[esteven]

Everyone agrees that there is nothing fairer than English justice, and if I tell them the plain truth I am sure I shall be believed. I shall say that I never conspired with anyone, and that if I followed Palmer's tip I did so with a perfectly innocent mind, as one might have followed a tip for the Derby. If that was wrong, I am perfectly willing to cancel all my time-bargains; but I have always understood that guilty intent was the essence of any crime. And if they confront me with any man who says that what I say is not true, why then, the court must decide which of us is to be believed
- which is the more trustworthy - and I have not much fear of that. I have every confidence
in the justice of my country,'

Is Jack right? Is justice here be really as impartial as he thinks? What a contrast to Sir Joseph's assessment of Holroyd.

[latin_cat]

I think the point here is that English justice is comparatively fair to what else was around in other European states at the time - as fellow fans of Garrow's Law will know there have been many developments to the advantage of defending council, and the actual verdict, though heavily influenced by the judge, is decided by a theoretically impartial jury of twelve rat-paying citizens

[esteven]

*is a fellow fan of Garrow's Law*
(there will be a second season)

You are touching on several points where I sometimes feel that even today, justice is not what it is supposed to be. But then, this is not an ideal world.

Since I love Jack (and Stephen) I am rather taken against Ellenborough Quinborough.
Mind, I cheered when I read somewhere that Garrow was once up against Ellenborough and won.
That's how O'Brian's characters can cloud RL. :D

[latin_cat]

I second the vote of thanks to Lord Sandwich. Portable food would not have been the same without him!

[sidlj]

An important figure in history, without a doubt!

Peanut butter and jelly would be very awkward, were it not for him.

[dreamwaffles]

Also incredibly messy. And how on earth would we eat BLTs?

[sidlj]

I suppose we could wrap the B and T up in the L.

Lettuce wraps are all the rage, you know.

(but it wouldn't be the same)

[esteven]

I feel they would have been honourable, as if the war was never an issue between scientists.

[sidlj]

It is uplifting to see this kind of cooperation in the interest and love of science. *nods*

Re: If the worse comes to the worst

[esteven]

*nods#*
The Navy is Jack's life, if not his whole raison d'être.
*wibbles*

Re: If the worse comes to the worst

[sidlj]

*wibbles with you* OMG, could it really come to that? Our Jack is a national hero! *bites lip*

Re: If the worse comes to the worst

[esteven]

Hope not. It is with some wibbling that I will read the next chapters

Pork pies

[ylla]

'a single gent might never be seen again: pork pies were assured of a ready sale in the Marshalsea and the King's Bench prison, no great way off, and the cost of the pastry was trifling, given the vicinity of the flour wharves down the way.'

'These are from a local man,' he said, turning the sausages on their fork, 'and they are famous. So are his pork pies: should you like a slice? It is already cut.'
'I believe not, thank you,' said Stephen, looking intently at the contents of the pie.

Ummm, yuck.

Jack might not be too horrified - he knows what happens after shipwrecks - but I hope Sophie never hears the suggestion, true or not.