Excerpt from GENE515

Feb 08, 2006 12:41

This partly answers a question asked of me when I was 21 years old, by my doctoral thesis advisor Oliver G. Selfridge. When I say "Man" I am echoing and older text, and not excluding Woman.

Excerpt from GENE515What is Man, that he may know Number? What is Number that it may be known by Man ( Read more... )

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Response from Tim Poston, Bangalore magicdragon2 February 9 2006, 01:22:07 UTC
Number is known by Man because it lives in Man ( ... )

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Re: Response from Tim Poston, Bangalore magicdragon2 February 9 2006, 01:25:55 UTC
A good Antitheomathematics, or pantheomathematics.

Actually, Euclid was a number theorist too. He gave the first known proof that there are an infinite number of primes.

Also, the Euclidean algorithm, also called Euclid's algorithm, is an algorithm for finding the greatest common divisor of two numbers a and b.

We don't know all his other number theory, as there were some Lost Books.

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polytheomathematics, Re: Response from Tim Poston magicdragon2 February 9 2006, 06:27:38 UTC
>A good Antitheomathematics, or pantheomathematics ( ... )

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Re: polytheomathematics, Re: Tim Poston magicdragon2 February 9 2006, 06:29:03 UTC
"Shape has as good a claim to primality as Number ( ... )

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Look Dad, I did applied math! magicdragon2 February 9 2006, 18:40:22 UTC
How to zip a region in the plane...
or ``Look Dad, I did applied math!''
by
Steve Bell


"... In 1979 I thought of mathematics as a huge blob
of platonic goop in outer space, and I believed that
before I could discover new mathematical truths I
would need to grapple and claw my way far out into the
blob before I would encounter unexplored territory.
Now, after twenty years of doing mathematical
research, I find that Mathematics is more like a
sponge than a blob. There are holes everywhere --- big
ones and little ones. If you think about mathematics
for any length of time, you might just jam your head
into one of them and look upon a beautiful vista that
no one has ever seen before. Good mathematicians are
more like worms than mountain climbers. Kerzman and
Stein showed me that there are new and beautiful
truths to discover about something as old and well
worn as the Cauchy integral formula...."

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John Sokol crstallizes, Re: Look Dad, I did applied math! magicdragon2 February 9 2006, 18:42:24 UTC
I always felt mathematics was more like a
crystalline material.

Where there is a central "seed" and everything
starts to build off that.

Each layer builds from the preceding layers, rigidly
interlocking into the next.

But it's not a symmetrical, clean crystal, but an
irregular crystal like quartz, where there are
branches that take off in odd directions and areas
where we just can't fill in yet.

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Re: John Sokol crstallizes, Re: Look Dad, I did applied math! magicdragon2 February 9 2006, 18:45:21 UTC
I get your point. It may be fruitless to
argue about something explicitly subjective (what
mathematics feels like). However, I see it so
differently from you, that I wonder if that's a factor
for my being hyperproductive in math for the past 2
years, while you still need to publish your first math
paper.

I strongly feel that there is NOT a central "seed" to
Mathematics. There may be to a given
sub-sub-sub-speciality.

For something that reflects the structure of what
actually gets published, check out the (searchable)
hierarchy:

2000 Mathematics Subject ClassificationOr, at a more amateur level, Wikipedia gives this ( ... )

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Mathematics may be likened to a large rock magicdragon2 March 4 2006, 05:22:30 UTC

Mathematics may be likened
to a large rock
whose interior composition
we wish to examine.

The older mathematicians appear
as persevering stone cutters
slowly attempting to demolish the rock
from the outside
with hammer and chisel.

The later mathematicians
resemble expert miners
who seek vulnerable veins,
drill into these strategic places,
and then blast the rock apart
with well placed internal charges.

-- Howard W. Eves,
in Mathematical Circles,
Boston: Prindle, Weber and Schmidt, 1969.

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God is a Physicist magicdragon2 February 10 2006, 19:10:04 UTC
Dr. Christine Carmichael comments ( ... )

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Edgar Allan Poe; Re: God is a Physicist magicdragon2 March 3 2006, 04:46:11 UTC
Science! true daughter of Old Time thou art
Who alterest all things with thy peering eyes.
Why prayest thou thus upon the poet's heart,
Vulture, whose wings are dull realities?
How should he love thee? or how deem thee wise,
Who wouldst not leave him in his wandering
To seek for treasure in the jewelled skies,
Albeit he soared with an undaunted wing?

Edgar Allan Poe
Sonnet-- To Science
1829

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Poe's algebra pun; Re: Edgar Allan Poe magicdragon2 March 3 2006, 06:06:16 UTC

"To speak algebraically,
Mr. M. is execrable,
but Mr. G. is
(x+1)ecrable."

--Edgar Alan Poe

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Rutherford; Re: God is a Physicist magicdragon2 March 3 2006, 05:05:01 UTC
All science is either Physics or stamp collecting.

Ernest Rutherford
[1871-1937]

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Creationist skeptical about "God is a Physicist" magicdragon2 February 10 2006, 19:16:38 UTC
Don Batten, a Creationist, has a different slant on this.

Physicists' God-talk by Don Batten"... Some well-known physicists in recent times have used language which, to many Christians, sounds as if these men have some sort of Christian faith, or are leaning in that direction. Some Christian people have thus been encouraged. Some writers in Christian magazines have encouraged this belief that the physicists are getting 'closer to God', even claiming that what they say authenticates the Bible. [For example, Hugh Ross, 'Cosmology's Holy Grail', Christianity Today, December 12, 1994, pp. 24-7 ( ... )

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Smite, Smoot; Re: Creationist skeptical magicdragon2 March 3 2006, 04:49:34 UTC
George Smoot is not to be confused with U.S. Senator from Utah named Reed Owen Smoot (1862-1941), who is best known for a strongly protectionist tariff, the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act of 1930; and for a fight against pornography, which led to the classic headline in many newspapers, "Smoot Smites Smut", and the verse [excerpt below]:

Ogden Nash (Invocation)

Senator Smoot is an institute

Not to be bribed with pelf;

He guards our homes from erotic tomes

By reading them all himself.

Smite, Smoot, smite for Ut.,

They're smuggling smut from Balt. to Butte!

Strongest and sternest

Of your s_x

Scatter the scoundrels

From Can. to Mex!

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Galileo; Re: Creationist skeptical magicdragon2 March 4 2006, 03:46:47 UTC

I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.

-- Galileo Galilei

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Galileo was no idiot magicdragon2 March 4 2006, 04:02:24 UTC

Galileo was no idiot.

Only an idiot could believe
that science requires martyrdom --
that may be necessary in religion,
but in time
a scientific result
will establish itself.

-- David Hilbert, (1862-1943) In H. Eves, Mathematical Circles Squared, Boston: Prindle, Weber and Schmidt, 1971.

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God's Physics Experiment, by Kenneth Silber magicdragon2 February 10 2006, 19:24:50 UTC
Kenneth Silber is a New York City-based writer focused on science, technology and economics. He weighs in (masses in?) as follows:

God's Physics Experiment, By Kenneth Silber

"Physicist Stephen M. Barr has fired the latest broadside in the contentious debate over what science tells us about the existence of God. His book Modern Physics and Ancient Faith presents a case that developments in physics and related fields give support to the idea of a cosmic designer and indeed fit well with the Judeo-Christian tradition ( ... )

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Theologian & Mathematician; Re: God's Physics Experiment magicdragon2 March 3 2006, 07:10:19 UTC

Theologian: You mathematicians are blind.
Don't you know man is morethan just numbers?

Mathematician: You're right! ...(prolonged pause)... man is sets!

-- Snis Pilbor

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Thomas Jefferson & J. Robert Oppenheimer: algebra magicdragon2 March 4 2006, 08:05:12 UTC

"...the science of calculation also is indispensable as far as the extraction of the square and cube roots: Algebra as far as the quadratic equation and the use of logarithms are often of value in ordinary cases: but all beyond these is but a luxury; a delicious luxury indeed; but not be in indulged in by one who is to have a profession to follow for his subsistence."

-- Thomas Jefferson, quoted
in J. Robert Oppenheimer "The Encouragement of Science"
in I. Gordon and S. Sorkin (eds.) The Armchair Science Reader, New York: Simon and Schuster, 1959.

Oppenheimer was a mentor of a mentor of mine.
see:
PROFESSIONAL "GENEOLOGY": MY TEACHERS' TEACHERS' TEACHERS

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Helen Keller on mathematics magicdragon2 March 4 2006, 08:14:49 UTC

"Now I feel as if I should succeed in doing something in mathematics, although I cannot see why it is so very important... The knowledge doesn't make life any sweeter or happier, does it?"

-- Helen Keller, (1880 - 1968) The Story of My Life. 1903.

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