Pride, bloody hell.

[lumiyu]

I was at Helsinki Pride a week ago, and we ran into lindbad & co. They were rather surprised to see us there and at some point lorem said to me something like "So you decided to come watch gay people party?" For some reason that stuck to me and only later (after we'd gone our separate ways, of course) I realized why. It sounded like I was the other, the one

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[arye_sarin]

I identify myself as bisexual.

I've had crushes on women, perhaps even to a point of falling in love, but it's never worked out to a real relationship. I've been in bed with a woman and that was awesome. And in general, I have, can and will find some women attractive.

Same here. Except that I have never been in bed with a woman. Only in my dreams. ; )

I think most of my sf-related friends are bisexual. Or they are the ones that have guts to confess they are bi. Dunno.

Never been to Pride but would like to go. Next year? Let's go together? : )

[mitzi007]

Or they are the ones that have guts to confess they are bi.

So, am I your token straight friend or is your default assumption that I'm lying? o_O

[arye_sarin]

Hmmm...neither. : )

[arye_sarin]

Aren't you bi then? I am so confused now. Who is and who isn't. I have come out a long time ago and it really doens't matter if you are bi or gay or straight or something in between but since we are talking about it....

[emmuzka]

This might come as a surprise for many of my friends, as many see me a say-what-you-really-think-feminist-sexual-equality-for-all -type of person...

I identify myself as a heterosexual.

I'm one of those who have the guts to confess that they are straight. (And yeah, that was a barb towards arye_sarin. Guts? What guts? In the sf-related circles, it doesn't take guts. Rather, you'll get cool points for throwing the bi-card on the table.)

[lumiyu]

I don't see why feminists who want sexual equality for all would have to be bisexual (or lesbian). Opinions and viewpoints aren't anything to do with sexual/romantic attraction.

Cool points, huh. I don't think I'm getting any... and in many circles (luckily not ours) bisexual women who are in relationship with a man are branded as posers and just wanting to please the man, and in fact the true bisexual is the one who is in same-sex relationship. (No, it doesn't make much sense to me, and yes, I've been reading LGBT-forums.)

But I think I agree with you, if the impression I got from your post was right in that what the hell does it matter what sexuality do you (that's me) identify as. It doesn't, not to anyone else but me and people I'm sleeping with. I still wanted to come out and say it :P.

[emmuzka]

Sorry, I just envisioned this post turning into a "I'm bi, too!!" -empowerment fest. Well, good for you, people. Whopee. My view of you didn't change one notch. (even with the oh so scary revelation that some of you might have seen me in a somewhat sexual way in some point, oh noes!!)

Urgh, I remember the feminist studies at the Uni, where you couldn't be a REAL feminist and TRULY UNDERSTAND shit if you weren't a woman, but even that wasn't enough, but you had to be a lesbian, too, and if you had a kid, it had to be adopted so you didn't oppress your body in heteronormative biology or some shit. Guess who dropped the feminist studies pretty fast?

And yes, bisexuality seems still to be a problem. If you say that you are a bisexual, and are in a committed relationship with a man, then you are lying and straight, and if you are with a woman, you are lying and gay. If you aren't committed, you are.. either an asexual old maid or a slut?? Dunno.

[mitzi007]

You obviously haven't got the full memo:

There are no bisexuals, they are just confused and need to make up their mind, just like agnostics, and ambidextrous people, and those who like the colour gray.

or

If she's with a man, she's straight. If she's with a woman, she's lesbian, as is good and proper.

or

Bisexual women are hot and open minded. Bisexual men are fags.

or

All women are bisexual, men never are. (Also known as the Strangers in Paradise principle.)

[mitzi007]

Good for you for coming out, though I can't say I'm that surprised considering some drawings of yours I've seen :-)

[lumiyu]

Females have very aesthetically pleasing bodies ^^

[yavannie77]

I would have to agree with you and even having said that, I consider myself totally straight. Not even bi-curious. So I must be yet another Sarin's token straight friends... :P

[arye_sarin]

Haa. I once remember you being drunk and telling people you have had a crush on a woman. About 10 years ago when we were celebrating May Day in Terris. Or was it me who was drunk and I remember it all wrong? : )

[linblad]

Jos aihe jotakuta kiinnostaa, niin kannattaa tutustua Jenny Kangasvuon kirjoituksiin ja tutkimukssin. Jenny on oiva esimerkki naisesta, jonka identitetti on bi ja se näkyy hänessä täsmälleen yhtä paljon tai vähän kuin heterous tai homous näkyy

[linblad]

Ai niin, pitkö tässä vielä tarkentaa, että vaikka olemmekin viettäneet lumiyu:n kanssa lukemattomia öitä yhdessä, niin minä en muistaakseni ole em. nainen ;) Tosin sen verran monta kertaa on alkoholilla ollut osuutta illan kulkuun, että ihan sadalla prosentilla en uskalla sanoa ;D

[lumiyu]

No ei sentään :).

Tarkennan itsekin muiden spekulaatioiden välttämiseksi että ei ollut kukaan näistä piireistä ja tutustuin kyseiseen henkilöön vuosia sitten.