Azula, her sexuality, and shipping.

Feb 18, 2009 07:15

So there was a secret on fandomsecrets today about how Tyzula shippers were worse than Zutarians because they bash on Azula het ships. Basically ( Read more... )

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fire_lord_azula February 18 2009, 14:39:16 UTC
*Applause.*

Before I became active in the fandom, I was under the impression that Azula was asexual, and for the exact reasons you state: her ambition, her lack of interest in anything outside of her goals, her relative apathy, etc. ... I was surprised when the idea was dismissed so readily.  When I posed such a prospect on a once-popular Avatar forum -- back when it was still popular -- I recall only one person appearing to agree with me.  The rest pretty much said it wasn't possible ( and just so happened to be comprised of a majority of het!Azula-lovers ( ... )

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loveoverpower February 19 2009, 02:18:58 UTC
Part of people's reluctance to take that interpretation of her character into consideration is probably her tendency to seem sexual. That and way too many people pretend asexuality doesn't exist. The problem with that is that they forget they're looking through their eyes - just because we see a character that way doesn't mean they are. (Like Aang being a little shota uke.)

Hmm...well, part of my thoughts on whether or not she would tend towards women has to do with the actual gender roles in the Fire Nation. Things seem on equal playing ground, so her dominating a man or a woman wouldn't really make much difference. She may tend more towards women, but the thing is she would be having sex for the mental control. Physically, of course Azula can dominate just about anyone. Mentally...maybe not so much. Because of this emphasis (I personally) put on the mental side, I don't know that she would be concerned with the body.

I guess what I mean is that, I can see Azula seeking relationships with women more readily. It was her mother who ( ... )

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fire_lord_azula February 22 2009, 05:41:07 UTC
It's admittedly pretty easy to see Azula as sexual, because it's such an exacting means of control.  She delves as deeply as possible when inflicting pain, searching for the most personal route.  And things don't come much more personally than sexually.

Pretending asexuality doesn't exist is, from my observation, rooted in the rejection of the incomprehensible.  People can't imagine being asexual; therefore, it "isn't real".  I can assure you that we're not soulless husks without passion.  "Asexuality doesn't exist" is such a blanket statement, much like the beginnings -- and, sadly, in some respects, continuation -- of homophobia.  It's the intolerance of someone "different".  Taking time to understand others would not only broaden horizons on a personal level, but on a societal level as well.  I know it's too much to ask, though.  Seems many people look for the easy answer.  ( Also, LOL @ Aang being a little shouta uke.  Are they talking about the same Aang from The Headband?  ;)  Sure, his personality is more passive and ( ... )

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loveoverpower February 24 2009, 02:26:07 UTC
Yeah, I mourn the days without ship wars. I don't know when fandoms everywhere started getting so full of wank. :/

Thank you very much, I'm happy to hear you think I sounded sane! The ATLA fandom's pretty terrible at taking shipping in a bizarre way; I'm glad to offer you some sanity. :D

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