I'm Sick and Delerious. Have a Banik Linguistics lesson.

Oct 06, 2005 05:00

Urrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh... sick.

I've got this head cold thing which means I'm listless and can't think and when I do think it's all disjointed and weird; I slept for something like 12 hours total and kept having the most messed up psychotic dreams ( Read more... )

linguistics, stark, essays, baniks, fic meta, appleseeds, farscape

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computer_boy October 6 2005, 15:04:20 UTC
Holy crap...nothing like odd dreams to get creative eh?

PS: if you're around, I'm online for maybe 30 more mins.

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lizamanynames October 6 2005, 15:08:28 UTC
I'm not, I'm just heading off now. Catch you another time!

The majority of that stuff I had already, BTW, I just felt like sharing it now.

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computer_boy October 6 2005, 15:12:10 UTC
No problem - take care!

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lizamanynames October 6 2005, 15:21:31 UTC
You too!

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tringa October 6 2005, 15:42:41 UTC
"You're there for the death, you observe, you cry, but those are drinking and dancing.

"they have absolutely no concept of privacy; whether this comes from being slaves for a very very long time, or it was from before, who the frell knows."

Damn, now I'm thinking Baniks are Irish. 'Ceptin' the sperm part. I ain't never seen nothin' like that up my way (we're practically all Irish up here! Weeee!)

Of course I jest but if you've ever read Joyce's "The Dubliners" and the "paralysis" of the Irish people it sort of works. Interesting. I'm sold! He is Irish!

Actually, I guess Jewish could work as well but he has this quirkiness that is definitely more Irish and that inability to believe in himself yet never quite giving up... I still go with Irish.

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lizamanynames October 6 2005, 15:50:13 UTC
Wow, I DID express myself really badly - I don't mean there is drinking and dancing, I was going for an analogy - "deathing" is an experience, an activity, to Baniks, like clubbing is for humans, in that it contains OTHER activities but is a solid concept on its own.

Death actually doesn't have anything to do with drinking or dancing for Banik (in my world). I'm not sure they do either, actually.

That said, the Banik/Irish paralells most certainly are there, especially the way Joyce talks about the in "The Dubliners" you're right!

I think that might have to do with the fact that most of the things I came up with for thier culture tie into being slaves - and the Irish are culturally a very repressed people.

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tringa October 6 2005, 21:31:34 UTC
Maybe you just need a better analogy? Drinking and dancing immediately conger up entertainment for me. As "Death" is "the thing they do" I'm thinking it is more of a lifestyle. Do you know any horse people? The are fanatics. They live and breath "horses"; as the Baniks do "death"; or maybe NSCAR fanatics would be a better comparison... anyway... wait! How's about rabis!? Yes... like it is something sacred handed down and entrenched in a cultural identity. As a male you either strive to be a rabi like your dad, or a kanter (singing guy in temple).

And I'm with you on Stark being naive about his role/culture. I'm thinking he's doing what he has maybe heard done through a third party, i.e., "Come on Stark, get them over to the other side! You are Strykera after all" (and he'd be used to taking orders as he's a slave; omg, hit John and Aeryn for forcing him to do shiny thing in PKW!!!! bad! bad! bad! OMG! Even Zhan flips his mask up w/o asking!!!!) *adjusts composure and apron* Sorry...

What was I saying? Not a clue really, just having

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lizamanynames October 6 2005, 21:52:21 UTC
Maybe you just need a better analogy? Drinking and dancing immediately conger up entertainment for me. As "Death" is "the thing they do" I'm thinking it is more of a lifestyle. Do you know any horse people? The are fanatics. They live and breath "horses"; as the Baniks do "death"; or maybe NSCAR fanatics would be a better comparison... anyway... wait! How's about rabis!? Yes... like it is something sacred handed down and entrenched in a cultural identity. As a male you either strive to be a rabi like your dad, or a kanter (singing guy in temple).

It's getting closer... I think what I'm trying to get at is that a) death is an event, a milestone, like graduating or marrying or giveing birth and b) they have a word for being present and witnessing somebody's death, even if you're not a Stykera and not "doing" anything.

I just weny around saying it in a very very wierd way...

And I'm with you on Stark being naive about his role/culture. I'm thinking he's doing what he has maybe heard done through a third party, i.e., "Come on Stark, ( ... )

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nakeisha October 6 2005, 15:53:21 UTC
Sorry to hear that you're feeling unwell - I hope you perk up again soon.

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lizamanynames October 6 2005, 16:02:33 UTC
Aw, thank you!

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astrogirl2 October 6 2005, 17:22:28 UTC
I'm not sure I entirely understand what you're getting at with the death=clubbing thing, but it seems to me there's an interesting idea in there somewhere. :) The stuff about Banik culture and language is also very interesting. Some of it's quite close to what I've come up with myself and some of it isn't, but it seems well thought out and plausible. I'm very much looking forward to reading this epic when it's finished!

Some specific comments, peppered with a lot of rambling about how the Banik language works in my RPG world:

"Light" - the light of creation, the Banik concept of the devine, also the energy that forms the non-corporeal part of a Banik's selfI have the word "zel" meaning light in a literal sense, as well as expressing the Banik concept of divinity. (It's also a syllable that crops up as part of a lot of other words, some of them having nothing obvious to do with light. E.g., the name of Stark's cat, Zelza, which means "quick" or "swift.") There's a different word for the energy... Culturally, it's associated ( ... )

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lizamanynames October 6 2005, 18:41:32 UTC
I'm not sure I entirely understand what you're getting at with the death=clubbing thing, but it seems to me there's an interesting idea in there somewhere. :)

There is, there is, I promise, I'm just having trouble digging it out myself. Dammit, why hasn't our species develloped telepaathy yet? I know what I mean in my head!

I'm very much looking forward to reading this epic when it's finished!

Actually, if I have my way you'll be reading this epic before it's finished. I'm intending on posting each of the twenty two episodes as I write them, which is why I'm being so meticulous about the outline and setting - creating a "series bible" as it were.

I have the word "zel" meaning light in a literal sense, as well as expressing the Banik concept of divinity. (It's also a syllable that crops up as part of a lot of other words, some of them having nothing obvious to do with light. E.g., the name of Stark's cat, Zelza, which means "quick" or "swift.")Nice semantic association there. Out of idle curiosity, does it have anything to do with ( ... )

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astrogirl2 October 7 2005, 01:43:25 UTC
Out of idle curiosity, does it have anything to do with the Zy of Zy Limbron?

No... I think I tend to regard his explication of "zy limbron" as "not alive" as something approaching a literal translation (albeit one that loses the subtleties of the Banik phrase). My version of Banik just has a lot of z's for some reason. :)

And yeah, there probably are as you say at least six words that the microbes turn into "energy" - that idea stealable?

Sure. It's a fairly commonsense idea, anyway. (I've also said at some point that Baniks have something like fifteen different words or phrases that translate loosely as "ghost," though I think most of them are little-used Stykera technical terms. :))

Which means Banik'ra might actually be Sebacean.

Yeah, it occurred to me that that could easily make my take on it compatible with the official RPG psuedo-canon, if I really cared about that. :)

Actually, very frequently a land or territory means something like "place where we live"Yup. And the name of a planet might be, oh, "land" or "home ( ... )

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lizamanynames October 7 2005, 10:13:24 UTC
No... I think I tend to regard his explication of "zy limbron" as "not alive" as something approaching a literal translation (albeit one that loses the subtleties of the Banik phrase). My version of Banik just has a lot of z's for some reason. :)

Cause of Zhaan! :D And your thoughts on Zy Limbron pretty much match mine, though while I'm sure Zy means something like "not" Limbron I was torn for an exact definition and decided I could do it later.

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numb3r_5ev3n October 6 2005, 20:58:15 UTC
I think I get it :) And WOW. I love "fantasy linguistics" *cuddles the Silmarillion.*

And I hope you feel better soon. *hugs*

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lizamanynames October 6 2005, 21:45:00 UTC
Tolkien is my Linguistics HERO. Well, one of them.

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gjohnsonkoehn October 7 2005, 03:07:27 UTC
I have got to remember to introduce you to my buddy Joe...

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lizamanynames October 7 2005, 10:49:40 UTC
What, is he a linguist?

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