L'accord du passé composé??

[bluebeard]

Hey guys. I've been trying to figure out for days if Spanish has anything like past participle accord like French (and apparently, Italian) does, but I'm stuck trying to think of anything. Spanish is my first language, and I remember in primary school (I'm from Cuba btw) the teachers taught us verb tenses and shit and we had to practice and stuff,

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[muckefuck]

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_verbs#Past_participle:

"The past participle, similarly agreeing with the subject of ser or estar, can be used to form, respectively, the "true" passive voice (e.g. Los platos fueron preparados en la mañana 'The dishes were prepared in the morning') or the "passive of result" (e.g. Los platos ya están preparados 'The dishes are already prepared')."

[bluebeard]

oic! So you do have agreement when you're using the passive voice/passive of result. :3 neat!

[mamculuna]

In his examples, appears to me that both show agreement? Plural masculine?

[purelystephanie]

Exactly, the past participle has to agree with the noun in number and gender.

[muckefuck]

Oh, and I didn't see it in the article, but the past participle also shows agreement when the perfect auxiliary is tener rather than haber, e.g. Tengo estudiada la materia. This construction is actually a throwback to what the haber + past participle construction was in its early days, before it was generalised to verbs without concrete direct objects.

You can see a relic of this earlier stage in modern Standard Catalan, although only with pronominal objects. E.g. He estudiat la matèria but L'he estudiada.

[bluebeard]

That's a rather odd (albeit interesting) construction; I don't think my particular dialect ever uses tener like that. Is it still used in some places, or is it like archaic or whatever? O.o

[muckefuck]

It's the opposite of archaic, since it isn't found in earlier forms of Spanish. (TENEO originally had the meaning of "hold" and only came to mean "have" once HABEO became primarily an auxiliary. In some Romance varieties, e.g. French, this shift never took place. Cf. J'ai faim = Tengo hambre.)

[bluebeard]

oic, just like with Italian avere ("Ho fame") and all that. :3

[trinker]

(Would you mind putting that image under a cut, plesase?)

[bluebeard]

Done! Sorry about that, XD.

[silvertipped]

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[bluebeard]

lol no such thing as a coincidence, hakunekokun! :D *adds*

[bluebeard]

it doesn't show the username right? :C who made it?

[wren_chan]

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[mamculuna]

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