deciphering Armenian and other...

Feb 22, 2009 02:17

i've found and interesting monument in Budapest [18 arr., Szervet tér, near the Unitarian church of Pestszentlőrincz] - it has inscriptions in 14 languages spoken in Hungary [Hungarian, Bulgarian, "Gipsy" (Roma), Greek, Croatian, Polish, German, Armenian, Romanian, Ruthenian, Slovak, Slovenian, Serbian and Ukrainian]. i'm wondering, why there is ( Read more... )

romanian, armenian, hungarian, greek, polish, ukrainian, croatian, bulgarian, german, slovenian, slovak

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kaikias February 22 2009, 01:29:46 UTC
Greek: Η ΧΩΡΑ ΠΟΥ ΕΧΕΙ ΜΙΑ ΓΛΩΣΣΑ ΕΝΑΝ ΠΟΛΙΤΙΣΜΟ ΚΑΙ ΜΙΑ ΣΥΝΗΘΕΙΑ ΕΙΝΑ ΑΔΥΝΑΤΗ ΚΑΙ ΑΝΥΠΕΡΑΣΠΙΣΤΗ.

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varpho February 22 2009, 01:32:21 UTC
thank you!

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tortipede February 22 2009, 08:58:40 UTC
...ΕΙΝΑ ΑΔΥΝΑΤΗ...

EINAI ΑΔΥΝΑΤΗ, surely?

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kaikias February 22 2009, 13:01:39 UTC
Yep. Typo.

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firerosearien February 22 2009, 02:57:42 UTC
I imagine there's no Yiddish because I don't imagine St. Stephen was talking to the Jews...or that Yiddish as a language may have not been developed by this time.

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muckefuck February 22 2009, 03:41:09 UTC
If you want to get technical, Romani wasn't a language of Hungary at that time either. The first solid evidence of Roma in the Balkans dates only to the 14th century. And the idea that Ruthenian is a language distinct from both Ukrainian and Slovak is relatively recent one as well.

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embryomystic February 22 2009, 07:21:45 UTC
I'm not able to summon relevant dates from memory, and thus can't say, offhand, but it's possible that even if it was distinct at the time, it wouldn't have been seen as such, and was rather thought of as Judeo-German. In that case, it'd be included in German.

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varpho February 24 2009, 11:07:22 UTC
but the original text of St. Stephen's admonitions was in Latin and all the languages listed here are modern ones [although Polish version is slightly archaic].

OK, i've checked what minorities are officially recognised by the Hungarian state as ethnical minorities and it lists Poles, but not Jews. kinda weird...

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fpb February 22 2009, 08:23:18 UTC
A convenient doctrine for Magyar conqerors. Whether their conquered Romanian, Slav and German subjects contributed anything to the stability of the state is another matter altogether.

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isolationthirst February 22 2009, 18:56:19 UTC
Here's Croatian with proper diacritics:
jer jednojezična država i država s istim običajima je krhka i slaba.

Also, I can't really read cyrillic, but it's обичаjима in Serbian line (no space).

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varpho February 24 2009, 11:03:11 UTC
hvala!

LOL. i noticed only now that i posted it before rendering V's into háčeks... :D

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dumisquba February 23 2009, 22:11:24 UTC
Very interesting monument indeed ( ... )

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varpho February 24 2009, 11:12:55 UTC
thank you!

maybe they just left the diacritics in the Romani version to make it more universal?

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varpho February 24 2009, 11:15:49 UTC
and yes, the text says that this monument was prepared in 2003 by a sculptor artist Yengibarian Mamikon, who apparently is present on facebook. :)

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