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la_esmeralda_ in lifeonmartha

TPS question

May 04, 2008 22:17

Does anyone else suspect a certain scene didn't make the final cut?

Given how at ease the Doctor and Martha seemed to be with one another in that final scene before the TARDIS took off, if she was really intending that to be her goodbye, it strikes me as being curious she addressed none of her speech to him. Likewise, his quiet on the subject was a ( Read more... )

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in_the_end May 4 2008, 21:27:53 UTC

It was a bit odd, wasn't it? There might be a deleted scene, much like the one at the beginning of Daleks in Manhatten last year. However, I have heard that there is supposed to be some touching scenes in The Doctor's Daughter between the two of them, including a goodbye scene.

la_esmeralda_ May 4 2008, 21:34:28 UTC

See, I can't help wonder if the 'emotionally touching' stuff next week will be centered on the Doctor and his feelings about his daughter - especially given Martha's record of getting him to talk about important things.

But the goodbye scene, yes, that could be an appropriate time for some chatting.

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la_esmeralda_ May 4 2008, 21:39:19 UTC

It was the first time the Doctor and Martha were alone without the threat of an alien invasion, and we don't know what was said!
One meaningful conversation per Martha-episode. That's not too much to ask, right? :)

cheryl_tunt May 5 2008, 00:52:16 UTC

No! I'd really like the Doctor to ask what Tom Milligan is like. Only I would love it to be genuinely curious, like old mates checking up on each other.

(I would love if the Doctor met Tom.)

airie_fairy May 5 2008, 00:28:04 UTC

I'm thinking something'll be addressed next week, because that'd be a shitty thing to delete, important as it is. But I do feel like that Donna and her grandpa scene could've done with being cut in favor of a Ten and Martha scene. And I love Donna and her grandpa, so I don't say it out of whiny preferential attitudes.

stoplookingup May 5 2008, 00:44:25 UTC

You think? I've kind of given up hoping for that conversation.

airie_fairy May 5 2008, 01:18:15 UTC

Mostly there was a comment about the two of them getting emotional moments along with I don't really see a reason to bog myself down in doomsaying.

stoplookingup May 5 2008, 01:22:42 UTC

In theory, I bog myself down in doomsaying because it makes the actual disappointment slightly less irritating. In practice, that hasn't been working so well for me. :/

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cheryl_tunt May 5 2008, 00:50:07 UTC

Oh, that would be lovely if it were a deleted scene. I would just like to see them talking and being all friendly again, only it would be more like "serious friends" and not joking. Just him saying, "I'm sorry for that time, and the other time, and the bit crossing the Earth, the maid debacle, oh and that part where you almost fell into the sun" and she would respond with something both gentle and sort of cutting like, "Oh, those 365 days of walking the Earth were a great workout and I have more stamina for when Tom and I do the dirty!"

Or something.

radiantbaby May 5 2008, 06:45:51 UTC

"Oh, those 365 days of walking the Earth were a great workout and I have more stamina for when Tom and I do the dirty!"

*snorfle*

persiflage_1 May 5 2008, 05:06:45 UTC

There definitely does feel like there ought to have been a scene there (which is probably why the Bunny!Muses latched on to it and told me to "write that conversation" !)

Unfortunately, my feeling is that Helen R doesn't write Martha (or Donna for that matter) very well, so it kind of doesn't surprise me it's not there... Plus Team Cardiff *insists* that this is Donna's season so of course it's more important to have Donna chatting to Wilf and Sylvia (and I love both Donna AND Wilf and their love for each other, so I'm not character-bashing when I say this).

Team Cardiff just doesn't GET that the Doctor audience is perfectly capable of LOVING THEM ALL !!

la_esmeralda_ May 5 2008, 08:51:43 UTC

Helen Raynor's a bit strange... her Torchwood episode was lovely, but both this and her Dalek two-parter left the girls hanging around doing not much for a while - and it was even more obvious with Donna, who was just stuck sitting there in the TARDIS.

I do have high hopes for next week, because I think it's written by the same chap who gave us the wonderful character dynamics of Lazarus Experiment.

Hush you, we all the know the Doctor can only love one person, even if she isn't even there for a season! :P

persiflage_1 May 5 2008, 08:57:50 UTC

Helen Raynor's a bit strange... her Torchwood episode was lovely, but both this and her Dalek two-parter left the girls hanging around doing not much for a while - and it was even more obvious with Donna, who was just stuck sitting there in the TARDIS.

Agreed - I liked To The Last Man far more than I thought I would before I saw it (knowing how much I hadn't thought of Daleks Take Manhattan), so I was quite hopeful for Potato-heads Take the Earth - and then was disappointed !

I do have high hopes for next week, because I think it's written by the same chap who gave us the wonderful character dynamics of Lazarus Experiment.

*nods vehemently* Stephen Greenhorn wrote Martha and Martha&Ten very well for TLE. I'm just scared about how they've explained the Doctor's got a daughter all of a sudden - because I can foresee major explosions of hate from certain quarters...

Hush you, we all the know the Doctor can only love one person, even if she isn't even there for a season! :PYes quite - even though he canonically loved Susan, Ian and ( ... )

la_esmeralda_ May 5 2008, 09:13:56 UTC

I did enjoy the episode tremendously, and I thought she seemed more comfortable with writing Martha this time round - because it's such a Martha thing to be kind to an evil clone - which is why I do think a scene got cut, rather than Raynor having not written it at all. But her two parters do end up repeating the emotional stuff - like year we had Martha talk about the crush twice to the same person, this year Donna's scenes with her grandad were all very similar in content. (although more Wilf is always lovely.)

I'm just scared about how they've explained the Doctor's got a daughter all of a sudden - because I can foresee major explosions of hate from certain quarters...I dont think for an instant she's Rose's daughter, and if she really is his daughter through procreated means, at the most they might drop a fun, obscure hint she's Romana's. But I do think it's interesting that they pulled Martha along for an episode which is clearly going to emotionally rock the Doctor - because we all know Martha is brilliant at dealing with ( ... )

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