Comments | liberalrage: rock the fuck on

thisficklemob in liberalrage

rock the fuck on

Dec 30, 2005 00:33

Once again John Conyers makes a play to be my favorite member of Congress: he's introduced three resolutions that could lead to the impeachment of Bush and Cheney.

If these resolutions are going to go anywhere, as that commentator says, we need to build public pressure... I figure telling your representative you support Conyers' resolutions is a ( Read more... )

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photosinensis December 30 2005, 06:11:03 UTC

Impeach his ass, or drink heavily. I'd prefer option A.

Can't I have both?

thisficklemob December 30 2005, 06:15:55 UTC

Oh, certainly. Heavy celebratory drinking is an entirely different matter. ;-)

xiaomi December 30 2005, 08:51:19 UTC

The trouble, in my mind, is that if he gets impeached, unless it's for something so airtight that you could shoot a kitten into space in it, it'll just create the sort of cycle that could permanently damage the American system; republican voters would see this as retaliatory for the Lewinsky games, and we'd go down that path with every president for the next fifty years. :(. That's dangerous. I think it would have to be blatantly clear to really get that ball rolling without doing permanent damage, as clear as it was when Watergate snowballed.

I think that some of Bush's offenses probably do fall under "high crimes and misdemeanors," but the dems would need to be able to prove that to probably at least a third of the Bush supporters and a strong majority of moderates in order to not create an eternal echo chamber.

thisficklemob December 30 2005, 09:58:40 UTC

I guess, but at the same time, (as someone on a blog commented, I don't recall who), if we don't impeach because they did, and impeachments are bad for the country, then aren't we sending the message that they're better off impeaching every Democratic president? Because we won't impeach the next Republican?

I think it would have to be blatantly clear to really get that ball rolling without doing permanent damage, as clear as it was when Watergate snowballed.

Well, the ACLU is linking Bush and Nixon now, which I think is good. And you're right, we have to convince non-Dems that Bush's actions are crimes. But there's so much out there, from the NSA spying on Americans to the Downing Street Memos, that if Dems can't build an airtight impeachment case... then I don't think we deserve to even be a national party ( ... )

xiaomi December 30 2005, 15:32:42 UTC

Yeah, I see as you mean. I split my time between Boston and Ohio. My Boston mind agrees with you, but after talking to people in Ohio, it seems that would be hard... a lot of people really seem to feel like presidents can be above the law. It sucks, because it essentially means that stupid midwesterners and southerners (not all of them, just the stupid ones, though the stupid ones are many) are holding the rest of the country hostage. :(

thisficklemob December 30 2005, 20:56:32 UTC

a lot of people really seem to feel like presidents can be above the law. But do they believe that universally? Like, did they believe Nixon shouldn't have been impeached? Did they also think the Clinton impeachment was wrong? Or is it situational, either because they like Bush, or because they think the War on Terra justifies anything, and they don't think the government would ever spy on their phone calls, because they've done nothing wrong ( ... )

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