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"Hug" - Questions/Observations?

Feb 22, 2009 15:48

I was just rewatching some episodes from season one, trying to bring someone else into the show, and I sort of noticed something about "Hug" for the first time. At the end when Kyle and Rickman are fighting with their "power of persuasion," Kyle wins and manages to get Rickman to shoot himself, right? Afterwards, Clark runs out, Kyle says that ( Read more... )

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greenlady2 February 22 2009, 23:05:19 UTC

I totally don't think you're off the mark. I don't think the whole 'Clark can't tell anyone about his powers' thing adds up, if you actually sit down and do a timeline. That's why I've been trying to do one, but only using second hand information, because I can't bring myself to rewatch. :-)))

I agree with you and others that there is some evidence that Clark is afraid to reveal his alien origins and so on. But there's just as much evidence that he isn't, or shouldn't be because of the way various people react.

This is the same sort of thing as the Ryan/Shattered/Asylum thing. In Ryan, Clark was fine with walking right in to rescue Ryan, a minor child. But, a year later, he's too scared to rescue Lex when Lex asks him to.

xxkaytayxx February 22 2009, 23:59:28 UTC

Ryan is the episode I'm on now, actually. The trust issue in that episode is driving me crazy, too, especially since it's reminding me a lot of "Hug." Clark takes someone who is wanted/broken out of an institution (even if the reasons behind them are good) directly to Lex because he can "trust him" and his parents would freak, reasonably. It's just ridiculous. Clark can trust Lex enough to drop his problems at Lex's doorstep, but not enough when it matters.

littlehollyleaf February 22 2009, 23:45:18 UTC

As greenlady says, you are not off the mark, in fact you've hit the bullseye! Stuff like this happens all the time ( ... )

xxkaytayxx February 23 2009, 00:05:53 UTC

Hm, I can see your point about Kyle. I actually really liked him, too, probably because...well, one he was a nice guy, but two he was a refreshing part of the show since most people that get "powers" from the meteors are so one sided and poorly developed ( ... )

littlehollyleaf February 23 2009, 09:00:16 UTC

Clark seems to very easily turn on his friends once they don't agree/believe him, and then he expects them to take the steps to make things better between them.Oh hell yes. A lot of the CAF go on about how humble Clark is and how he's always feeling guilty about stuff and 'oh, isn't he wonderful' for doing that. But IMO that's another load of BS. SV!Clark is NOT humble, in fact I think he has a SERIOUS superiority complex and expects everyone to see and do things his way and when they don't it doesn't make them differently minded it makes them WRONG. One case in point is Chloe's seeking out his adoption agency for her school paper. All she was doing was being thorough, she had no idea there was dirt to dig up about it, and yet Clark reacts like she's been killing his favourite puppy behind his back! It's not like she told him he was adopted or anything, he KNEW, and, as far as I'm aware, knowledge of which adoption agency your adoptive parents used is not classified. She didn't go searching out his real parents or anything invasive ( ... )

an0ther_dreamer February 23 2009, 00:07:05 UTC

It does happen a lot ( ... )

xxkaytayxx February 23 2009, 00:51:29 UTC

Oh wow, I completely forgot about Sean. You're right, that's never resolved, at all. In my mind that's murder. He threw Sean, Sean landed in the lake, and Clark didn't save him. I mean, it can be said that Clark was doing self-defense or helping people (I don't remember the details, but I'm pretty sure he was), but murder is murder, whether malicious or accidental. I don't even think Clark could claim the Batman thing either. As far as I remember, Batman didn't throw R'as on the train and go off and do his thing. Batman simply saved himself alone. Clark may have accidentally thrown Sean into the lake, but the situation is still different.

Plus, that's the different between Superman and Batman. Batman can claim that excuse, and Superman can't, because he's supposed to save everyone, and that's why this Clark Kent can never really become Superman.

greenlady2 February 23 2009, 01:01:33 UTC

"...and that's why this Clark Kent can never really become Superman."

It's also why the whole 'Clark is an innocent frightened boy up against the big, bad Lex Luthor who is Evol, and a huge danger to the poor wee lad, so that's why he can't trust him and deal with him' excuse that the Clark Apologist Front uses all the time, just does not compute. Clark kills, or at the very least severely injures, numerous Meteor Mutants from the first season on, and shows little remorse about it, let alone suffers from terrible post traumatic stress disorder. But he can't handle Lex Luthor, a man who is kind and helpful and friendly to him from the first episode? I'm sorry, but give me a break.

littlehollyleaf February 23 2009, 09:04:04 UTC

let alone suffers from terrible post traumatic stress disorder

Oh oh! But MAYBE HE DOES! Can I add that to my list of potential Clark Kent mental illnesses? :p This is really starting to become a new and fun game for me... I don't know the symptoms though... would they include being a jerk and not trusting your friends and villifying people for no reason?

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an0ther_dreamer February 23 2009, 04:36:06 UTC

Yet another problem I have with this is that Lex has never shown (until he went inexplicably evol, that is) any indication that he would react badly to Clark's secret ( ... )

littlehollyleaf February 23 2009, 12:54:58 UTC

Lex has never shown (until he went inexplicably evol, that is) any indication that he would react badly to Clark's secret.

Just thought I'd mention I agree with this too. In fact, it's refreshing to have someone just step in and say it :D I've been bogged now with so much CAF nonsense about how Lex was manipulating Clark from the beginning that whenever I think about how Lex was with Clark at the start of the show now my mind automatically incorporates how it can be twisted to evil. Meaning I forget that, for the most part, such an interpretation is A STRETCH. If you're coming at it with no preconceptions Lex really is GENUINELY FRIENDLY and TRUSTWORTHY isn't he?

an0ther_dreamer February 23 2009, 13:15:48 UTC

IMO, Lex (at the beginning) is the most likely of Clarks friends not to react badly.(Possibly barring Chloe who is open to weird things, has been his friend longer and wasn't in Smallville of the day of the meteor shower.)

But Lex understands feeling different, having people treat you as an outsider due to things you can't control and accepts and strives for the truth, no matter how bizarre it may seem.

When kills me is not that Clark doesn't tell Lex his secret, but that he says there's no secret to tell.

I think Lex could respect him saying, "Yes, I have a secret, but I'm not ready to share it and probably never will be. Please accept my decision on this and don't needle me." instead of "What secret? That's crazy!"; an extremely callous remark considering Lex's stint in Belle Reeve and on the Island.

littlehollyleaf February 23 2009, 13:34:14 UTC

When kills me is not that Clark doesn't tell Lex his secret, but that he says there's no secret to tell.Amen sister. This is the major gripe ALL of us come back to in the end. Essentially, what Clark was saying by the CONSTANT denials (one or two okay, but SV!Clark denied for YEARS) is that everything Lex sees that seems unusual about Clark is crazy delusion and that Lex should take Clark's word over the evidence of his own eyes. This is bad enough on its own, but considering we later learn Lex has had serious struggles with mental illness in the past it becomes down right CRUEL. Clark is deliberately and knowingly fostering a false impression of insanity onto Lex ( ... )

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