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[leapyearlefty]

http://www.truthablaze.com/elect.html -- Election and Predestination

To summarize, since it's a little on the long side, the author argues that the passages referring to predestination do not refer to individuals, but to the Church (meaning the whole group of believers).  The fate of the Church is set and sure, but we have a choice to be a part of

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[theline1848]

That's a cool interpretation, I hadn't heard that before. It allows for free will, yet also election, showing they don't necessarily have to be in conflict. The ship analagy was pretty cool too. I'd be interested in finding out what type of tradition the person comes from.

[leapyearlefty]

yeah, i thought it was cool too. i've always believed in free will (because like I said in the comments of my last post, we can't really love God without having the choice), but for me, there's no ignoring the passages that talk about God's elect. For a long time, I just put it down on the list of "things Sarah will never understand in this life." but you know me, i can't stand NOT understanding for very long. i wasn't looking for exactly this but it was exactly what i needed anyway. it came after a LONG time searching but it was way worth it.

[jeff_matzke]

You are more than welcome and you can expect more 'encouraging' in the future. :)

[leapyearlefty]

yes! you really have helped me more than you intended, i'm sure. lest you think i'm being sarcastic, i really have enjoyed our debates as of late.