Comments | ladysisyphus: some people call me the space barbie

ladysisyphus

some people call me the space barbie

Oct 28, 2014 11:27

I haven't checked the Voyager Skip It/Watch It guides I did for lizlet in a while, and I found a comment in my Season 5 Guide that I started to answer ... and then it got way out of hand. So, uh, I brought it over here, and I'll make a link over there when I'm done.

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quaedam October 29 2014, 02:57:56 UTC

I gotta agree with all of this. And I didn't even remember the 'she's mentally maybe 8 or 9 years old' part of that shitshow!

And "when women have sexual awareness and autonomy, they won't dress in heels and a skintight suit on this starship, so if we want a woman in heels and a skintight suit on this starship, we have to create a woman with no sexual awareness or autonomy" is spot on, and probably (from what I recall of Enterprise) also applies to T'Pol from Enterprise, and lots of other female versions of a Spock or Data type character who Does Not Understand Your Human Emotions. Which is really sad, because I enjoy characters like that. But when it's a dude, they never decide that his cluelessness about his shipmates' feelings or urges means that he's definitely gonna wander around the ship nude or in spandex 24-7, because it's just the most efficient and hygienic thing to do and really he does not understand your human concept of shame ( ... )

ladysisyphus October 29 2014, 16:11:30 UTC

It's really hard to gauge Seven's mental age, because obviously she's incredibly bright and has few of the impulse control problems specific to young people. But she stopped human maturation when she was pretty dang young, and all of her adult thought processes prior to de-coupling are Borg Collective thoughts -- EXCEPT that at the very start of season seven, they pull that weird, oh, right, she was always a Special Borg, she had a creepy boyfriend with all the other Special Borg in their special mental sex garden. But I would lay much money on how nobody even remotely had that in mind until ... well, probably until they sat down to write the season six finale. Besides, I don't know how better 'you grew up and had sexual experiences in a part of your mind you are incapable of accessing' makes things.

I don't want to say 'I wish Seven had been male', because, no, I don't wish she'd been male; she was fantastic in a lot of ways mainstream science fiction doesn't often give women a chance to be. But if dude_Seven had been there instead ( ... )

quaedam October 30 2014, 08:10:57 UTC

Yeah. It's different with Counselor Troi, I think -- her specific superpower is supposed to be knowing exactly what's going on with other people's emotions. It's still a bit weird to have one character on the ship who dresses in a nonregulation uniform like that (maybe especially when it's the ship's counselor haha), but idk, maybe it's just... different cultural mores among Betazoids or something. Which is not really the same thing as, idk, the girl from Forbidden Planet dressing in next to nothing because she's been kept unnaturally innocent her whole life.

And I definitely don't wish Seven had been a dude, I guess the comparison to how guys in similar situations in the same series were treated just makes me mad. And/or makes me think how cool it would've been if she'd been allowed to do some of the same things they did.

Still don't see it... anonymous July 19 2016, 05:18:26 UTC

I have a very different read on the chemistry Janeway has with Kashyk - I found him winsome and it's convincing that she's a bit taken with him and just a wee bit hopeful he's not a lyingsonofabitch. This isn't like how Patrick Stewart's favorite TNG is "in Theory" because it was his first directing job, this was Kate Mulgrew's favorite because it's delicate and classy and full of lonely subtext she rarely was allowed to portray with subtlety and consistency ( ... )

RE: Still don't see it... anonymous April 26 2020, 03:18:18 UTC

I really agree with this comment. While it’s valid to point out so much of Trek has the male gaze consciously or unconsciously front and center, I assume despite Jeri Taylor’s best efforts, it’s also projection to apply real world ethics onto some of these abstract and decidedly sci-fi situations ( ... )