Cinnamon and the Great LJ Mind

Jul 17, 2010 09:29

Appro pos the previous post, what's up with cinnamon as an aid with Type 2 Diabetes ( Read more... )

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jimhines July 17 2010, 13:35:48 UTC
Just as a data point, an A1C of 5 would be nice for a normal, nondiabetic person. Mine usually comes in at 6, which my endocrinologist and diabetes nurse both say is awesome for a diabetic. Anything better and they'd start to worry I was deliberately keeping myself low. (I'm type 1 though, and I don't know if the expectations are different with type 2.)

Re: cinnamon, I've heard the anecdotal stories that it can help, but I've never tried it myself.

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klingonguy July 17 2010, 13:46:18 UTC
A good point, though eight years ago when I was really aggressively taking on my disease I had my A1C down to 5.7 (mind you, I'd also lost 75 pounds).

One of my sisters-in-law is likewise a Type 1. From what I've read of your blog, you're managing yours much better than she is hers. I wouldn't expect you to have bothered with the cinnamon. What I've read suggests it's specific to insulin resistance. Obviously your situation is different.

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will_couvillier July 17 2010, 13:53:28 UTC
Check out fenugreek - I've heard it also is helpful with T2 (having been recently diagnosed with it, myself)

The three main herbal thingies I read that help with T2D are cinnamon, fenugreek, and sage. Haven't tried them yet, but that's only due to me getting to the herb store and getting some.

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klingonguy July 17 2010, 14:05:09 UTC
Fenugreek? Dude, you're going to start lactating.

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suricattus July 17 2010, 13:51:18 UTC
I can't speak to diabetes, but as someone with chronic hypoglycemia, I've found that a significant level of cinnamon in baked goods does seem to let me enjoy it without any significant spikes, but I've only tested this on "regular" pastry (unfrosted donuts, quickbreads, etc) A sweet pastry with or without... let's not go there, it gets ugly, quick.

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klingonguy July 17 2010, 13:54:45 UTC
The first researchers twigged to the notion based on people eating apple pie. At first they thought the effect was a result of the apples, and then realized it was the cinnamon.

Thanks for the data point.

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bogwitch64 July 17 2010, 14:16:15 UTC
Actually, yes. I have had experience with this. Cinnamon, especially in conjuction with fenugreek, does help with insulin resistance. It doesn't do away with the need for medication, but it can help your medication to work better.

Here's the caveat--it doesn't work longterm. Much of the problem with herbal remedies is that they work until your body builds up a sort of immunity to them, then you have to take more and more and more until the cost far outweighs the benefits.

I tried the cinnamon/fenugreek thing several years ago. My numbers improved steadily over about two weeks, leveled off, then started to rise back to where they'd been. The whole process took about a month and a half to run its course. In the end, the 10-15 points weren't worth the huge expense.

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suricattus July 17 2010, 14:21:39 UTC
That could explain why it works the way I use it, as an occasional "counteragent" rather than a treatment -- my body gets surprised by it each time, since pastry's a real treat for me...

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bogwitch64 July 17 2010, 14:27:20 UTC
Hey! I think I just commented to your Facebook--about the weather in NYC. I should have know it was Eric who put you on my list.

I didn't think about using it as an on-again, off-again treatment. One month on, two months off--surprise the system. My A1C levels are pretty spectacular, but maybe I could use less medication during those on times...hmmmm...thanks for making me think!

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bogwitch64 July 17 2010, 14:36:01 UTC
BTW--an A1C of 5?? Really? My doc tells me 5.9-6.2 is ideal. I've maintained that but for a short time during an unrelated illness. Anyway, I am wondering if there is a reason you don't use insulin. I chose it rather than other medications in pill form because it's the most efficient, it's a naturally occuring hormone, and it doesn't have to go through several other body parts to work. Is it the sticking yourself thing?? Or just never been suggested? And if I'm stepping out of line, please forgive me and just say, "Thanks, but I've got it covered."

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klingonguy July 17 2010, 14:39:31 UTC
Having previously lost sufficient weight that my numbers were stellar, I'd like to try and go that route again.

While on some level taking a pill (or several pills) isn't all that different from giving myself an injection, the injection thing feels much more serious. I'd like to avoid that route for as long as I can.

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bogwitch64 July 17 2010, 14:52:33 UTC
I hear ya. I avoided it too. The minute my mom heard I was going on insulin she said, "Are you that bad ( ... )

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