Which makes such obvious sense. Rape is all about the power; to have it without the psychological motivation makes no sense whatsoever.
(Pfft. If only rapists in RL took their victims out for tandem-bike rides and spa appointments complete with candle-lit massages sessions and flower-strewn bedsheets after the deed. You know, before they get ~*married*~)
Nowadays Marluxia rapes Vexen because he's too pretty/sexy/irresistible not to. Back in my day it was all about the powerplay *rambles and shakes cane at those damn kids on her lawn*
Heck, I don't even read this pairing, and I know that it shouldn't be like eating sugar rainbows. I mean, sure someone could probably write good fluff, but that takes skill. Really, if you just want to write silly WAFF, I suggest using Sora. That boy could generate fluff faster than a dryer. \mini-rant
This can never be said enough. Lord. -shakes head sadly- It's one of the reasons people despise 411: so much damn OOC fluff. Where the hell do they get it? Marluxia points a sharp object at Vexen's face and then sends off his murderer to do the deed not five minutes afterwards. Where are we getting fluff?
I third on Sora. IT'S SO OBVIOUS. WHY DON'T THEY TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY.
Anyway, back on topic, I concur with this rant. I don't mind fluff with unfluffy characters if it's done well and IC. But I've never gotten MarVex that ends up fluffy enough that my teeth fall out and then I shake my fist in raeg.
One of the things that has completely turned me off to 411 is the fact that every single piece of it I have read, except for one or two that I can't access anymore, sucks. I cannot envision fluff between Marluxia and Vexen at all, and I also cannot see Vexen willingly engaging in sexual activity with someone who is his junior (and especially not Marly, whom he absolutely detests). And yet, people persist in writing tooth-rotting fluff, bathtubs filled with flowers (somehow I cannot see Vex enjoying HOT WATER), sex in gardens, roses, snowball fights...
The only way it works in my brain is when it's non-con (poor Vexen, especially since he's not the sort that goes down easily), twisted, and all about manipulation, power, domination, and control.
Unfortunately, it seems like people suck at writing THAT for these two just as much as they suck at writing fluff (which I can't wrap my brain around in the first place).
The only way it works in my brain is when it's non-con (poor Vexen, especially since he's not the sort that goes down easily), twisted, and all about manipulation, power, domination, and control.
I know there's something about the raw power levels involved that could conceivably make this difficult, but it'd be nice to see things the other way around occasionally. After all, what is it ice usually does to flowers?
Wilts them, which is why I definitely think Vexen would NOT be easy to get control of. At the same time, there are plants that can withstand cold very well, so they end up with balances against each other's power. (If you want Marluxia to have a guaranteed battle loss, put him up against me and the power of my black thumbs. I've killed every plant I've ever tried to nurture.)
With regards to the issue of who's on top and on the bottom... I still can't see Vexen lowering himself to the act of engaging in sexual behaviour with someone he despises, especially Marluxia. Not even if he were to be on top. He's so arrogant and self-important and, one would imagine, fastidious, I've never been able to see him as willing degrade himself by soiling his body through congress with a neophyte. Especially one who is on the other team, and who treats him with such gross disrespect. Some argue that Vexen would use sex in an attempt to cut Marluxia down to size, but I've always seen him as someone far more likely to do that simply by dismissing him.
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In other news, I prefer to have psych profiles whenever I want rape and murder going down.
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Which makes such obvious sense. Rape is all about the power; to have it without the psychological motivation makes no sense whatsoever.
(Pfft. If only rapists in RL took their victims out for tandem-bike rides and spa appointments complete with candle-lit massages sessions and flower-strewn bedsheets after the deed. You know, before they get ~*married*~)
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Back in my day it was all about the powerplay *rambles and shakes cane at those damn kids on her lawn*
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Heck, I don't even read this pairing, and I know that it shouldn't be like eating sugar rainbows. I mean, sure someone could probably write good fluff, but that takes skill. Really, if you just want to write silly WAFF, I suggest using Sora. That boy could generate fluff faster than a dryer.
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Lord.
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It's one of the reasons people despise 411: so much damn OOC fluff. Where the hell do they get it? Marluxia points a sharp object at Vexen's face and then sends off his murderer to do the deed not five minutes afterwards. Where are we getting fluff?
I second using Sora. Kid's a dryer on 'fluff'.
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Anyway, back on topic, I concur with this rant. I don't mind fluff with unfluffy characters if it's done well and IC. But I've never gotten MarVex that ends up fluffy enough that my teeth fall out and then I shake my fist in raeg.
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And even if it wasn't hackneyed, it's really just kind of cheesey imagery.
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The only way it works in my brain is when it's non-con (poor Vexen, especially since he's not the sort that goes down easily), twisted, and all about manipulation, power, domination, and control.
Unfortunately, it seems like people suck at writing THAT for these two just as much as they suck at writing fluff (which I can't wrap my brain around in the first place).
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I know there's something about the raw power levels involved that could conceivably make this difficult, but it'd be nice to see things the other way around occasionally. After all, what is it ice usually does to flowers?
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With regards to the issue of who's on top and on the bottom... I still can't see Vexen lowering himself to the act of engaging in sexual behaviour with someone he despises, especially Marluxia. Not even if he were to be on top. He's so arrogant and self-important and, one would imagine, fastidious, I've never been able to see him as willing degrade himself by soiling his body through congress with a neophyte. Especially one who is on the other team, and who treats him with such gross disrespect. Some argue that Vexen would use sex in an attempt to cut Marluxia down to size, but I've always seen him as someone far more likely to do that simply by dismissing him.
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