farewell Ugly Betty (spoiler free unless you click the links)

Apr 15, 2010 20:42

Goodbye Ugly Betty! Thank you for going out with a sparkly, wonderful bang rather than with a whimper. These past few episodes have been great. I find myself humming Renee Olstead and Macy Gray and being really, really happy ( Read more... )

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love2loveher April 15 2010, 19:41:30 UTC
I loved pushing daisies. I realize it was slightly too much for some people, but the angst of not being able to touch his lover or his dog, and some of the places they took the concept. I really miss that show.

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kattahj April 15 2010, 19:43:44 UTC
I only saw the pilot, and had really high hopes after DLM, but the narrative voiceover, bright colours etc. just made me feel like I was watching a story being told rather than being in the story. Which I was, but you know what I mean.

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bookelfe April 15 2010, 20:19:59 UTC
Hah, I love both Pushing Daisies and The Middleman; over-quirkiness is, um, not a problem for me. BUT ANYWAY I really need to catch up on Ugly Betty! I got way behind somewhere last year, and then shati came to visit and we marathoned some of the early season and all of my love rekindled. I am glad its final season is continuing to be awesome!

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kattahj April 15 2010, 20:38:22 UTC
Hah, I love both Pushing Daisies and The Middleman; over-quirkiness is, um, not a problem for me.

I'll still watch some more Middleman; I like Wendy. But, yeah. It probably would have helped if I found either show funny; comedy can get away with a lot.

I got way behind somewhere last year, and then [info]shati came to visit and we marathoned some of the early season and all of my love rekindled.

I got behind too. It didn't really start picking up pace again until it got cancelled, but the last few eps were ACE.

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bookelfe April 15 2010, 20:58:14 UTC
Yeah - aside from how much I love Wendy (and I love her a lot), Middleman's comedy works great for my sense of humor. I am an easy sell sometimes! Give me FISH ZOMBIES and EVIL BOYBANDS and I am happy for a good long time.

That is gooood to know. And now that I am caught up on Leverage, perhaps I can start tackling the Betty backlog!

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kattahj April 16 2010, 05:08:42 UTC
Yeah. I don't know, I tried to think of things I find funny, and it's really all sorts of things. I guess usually there's something behind it in case I don't find the joke funny. Like, sometimes I laugh at Marx Brothers slapstick and sometimes I don't, but when I don't I can go, "Ooh, look at the way this scene is choreographed!" and enjoy it on that level. If I don't get that, and I don't find the joke funny, I just get depressed. "Oh. That's a joke. I recognize it as a joke. It's not funny."

But maybe I'm just not well versed enough in nerd culture, or something.

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wee_warrior April 15 2010, 21:40:02 UTC
It's strange, I used to love Ugly Betty so much. I'm glad they apparently ended it on a high note.

(See also Dead Like Me vs. Pushing Daisies, or due South vs. The Middleman - with the caveat that I haven't seen enough of the latter shows in each example to know if my assessment is unfair.)I think it depends what you want of them. Pushing Daisies revelled in being over the top, almost baroque in its approach, and the times it managed to connect that to its underlying sadness, it was great. The Middleman was meant to be a living comic book, a fountain of pop cultural allusions build around a cool heroine and a traditional manly hero who was gently mocked by his show. Neither are realistic by any stretch, but I don't think they are meant to be, they draw their power from being artificial (at which they largely succeeded, I'd say). Dead Like Me, on the other hand, is really more a quirky show with supernatural elements and Bryan Fuller's trademark odd humour, and Due South - it's been quite a while since I saw that, but I wouldn't ( ... )

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kattahj April 16 2010, 04:57:55 UTC
It's strange, I used to love Ugly Betty so much. I'm glad they apparently ended it on a high note.

The last few seasons have been kind of drab, but they really crammed everything into the last few eps and that worked like whoah.

Neither are realistic by any stretch, but I don't think they are meant to be, they draw their power from being artificial (at which they largely succeeded, I'd say).

Yeah, I don't necessarily mean it as a slam against them, just that unless a show is outright comical, I personally need some kind of true-felt reaction to anchor me in them. If it's over-the-top people doing over-the-top things and no moments to show me how they really see the world, I just can't connect.

Due South - it's been quite a while since I saw that, but I wouldn't compare it to those shows at all.

It came to mind early on when I was trying to figure out why Middleman didn't work for me, when Fraser in due South is a similar kind of ridiculously straight-laced character. But I really felt that while Fraser was a freak, Paul Gross was ( ... )

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wee_warrior April 16 2010, 10:37:04 UTC
It's sort of like Doctor Who, too - I'm fine with the living plastic, and the Doctor being an alien in a little blue box, as long as he's a well-rounded alien in a little blue box.

To be fair, the Doctor had almost 50 years to become well-rounded, and Fraser had four seasons, as opposed to 12 episodes.

I don't mean to say that The Middleman doesn't have problems; it took me roughly 'til episode 6 or 7 to really appreciate it. I can also see how the Middleman himself is not that engaging, but I really liked Wendy quite a lot - and with her, Lacey, Noser and Tyler. I'd even argue she was well on her way to being well-rounded, and I would have loved a few more seasons with her.

Btw, if you watch nothing else of The Middleman, watch the parallel universe one, for Matt Keeslar's Snake Plissken impression if nothing else. ;)

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kattahj April 16 2010, 10:48:16 UTC
To be fair, the Doctor had almost 50 years to become well-rounded, and Fraser had four seasons, as opposed to 12 episodes.

Yeah, but the Doctor had me at "run for your life" and it didn't take much longer with Fraser. It's possible to establish a well-rounded characters in ten minutes or less. Not easy, by no means, but possible.

Although, as I said to lilacsigil, I thought BtVS was unmitigated crap when I first saw it, so things can change.

I can also see how the Middleman himself is not that engaging, but I really liked Wendy quite a lot

Yeah, I like her too. That's why I still have the eps around and do plan on watching them (or at least a few more).

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lilacsigil April 16 2010, 01:24:14 UTC
Wait, wait, you watched Middleman and didn't like it? Oh no! I wouldn't put it anywhere near Due South in genre, though - Middleman is broad comedy with some salient pop culture points, Due South is gentle quirkiness.

Ugly Betty's embarrassment humour was way too much for me, even though I loved the characters. I'm glad they had the chance to write a good ending though.

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kattahj April 16 2010, 05:01:46 UTC
Middleman is broad comedy with some salient pop culture points

I think it would probably help if I found it funny, but so far I haven't laughed once. I can see where I should laugh, and then I don't do it. :-( As I said above, though, I like Wendy, so I'll give it a few more episodes.

I wouldn't put it anywhere near Due South in genre, though

It was mostly the likeness and differences between the Middleman and Fraser, in that they're both straight-laced freaks, but Fraser is a straight-laced freak I can believe exists, if only in the context of the story.

Ugly Betty's embarrassment humour was way too much for me, even though I loved the characters. I'm glad they had the chance to write a good ending though.

You should totally watch the Justin clip I linked to. Not embarrassing, just beautiful. :-)

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lilacsigil April 16 2010, 05:09:43 UTC
it would probably help if I found it funny

Oh dear. If you get to episode 5 ("The Flying Fish Zombification") and don't find that funny, it's really not your thing. I love a lot of other things about the show, but if it's not funny, I can see it could be grating.

I will watch the Justin clip when I get home!

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kattahj April 16 2010, 05:16:01 UTC
I'll hold on until episode 5, then! :-) I do know some shows grow with familiarity - heck, even the first time I watched BtVS, I went, "OMG this is AWFUL."

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