plz to rec me movies with girls in them

[kattahj]

So, new Star Trek trailer. One one hand, it does look pretty cool. OTOH, talk about gender FAIL.

Which reminds me - as you know, I'm trying to watch 100 movies in a year, meaning roughly 8 movies a month (or more, since I'm behind). I try to have a good mix of simpler fare and critically acclaimed stuff. And while watching The Shawshank Redemption

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[kattahj]

I have seen Arsenic and Old Lace (it's one of my favourites) and both the wedding films, though I don't remember much of Monsoon Wedding so perhaps that's up for a re-watch soon. I'll put the other two on my list. Thanks!

[wee_warrior]

- Perfect Blue. Critically acclaimed anime that passes the Bechdel.

I admit that I found that one more than faintly misogynist, so it doesn't make my list, but it's nice to meet someone else who has actually watched it!

[kattahj]

Interesting. *makes notes* In what way?

[wee_warrior]

Oh, I suck at lists.

The Incredibly True Adventure Of Two Girls In Love. American indie coming out/teenage love story. Very cute, a little silly, but I love it, and it's one of the few genuinely happy lesbian films I actually know.

Of course, The Women. Men are an important topic, so I'm not completely convinced it would pass the "not only talking about men" rule, but it is really funny and sharp, and you can watch awesome 30s fashion besides! Also, Joan Crawford making mincemeat out of rivals!

I've heard the film versions of Fingersmith and Tipping the Velvet are very good, but can't really vouch as I haven't seen them myself. The books are definitely worth checking out, although I prefer Fingersmith to Velvet. They are lesbian historical romps set in Victorian Britain. Very few male characters.

If you haven't seen it, I recommend watching Thelma and Louise, as it is definitely seminal in a lot of ways.

I'm going to think on this some more.

[kattahj]

I haven't seen The Women or Fingersmith, so I'll put them on the list, thanks!

I didn't much like Tipping the Velvet, largely because I wanted to hit Nan with a blunt object repeatedly.

[wee_warrior]

Yes, me too! She's horrible in the book as well, and what's worse, she is the first person narrator!

I also resented that it had that good old "lesbian coming out story" plot staple - the evil bisexual first girlfriend, who just strings the poor lesbian along and goes back to her straight relationship in the end, because she can't deal with being gay. Because bisexuality doesn't actually exist, and everybody who says so is a dishonest coward.

[kattahj]

Yes, me too! She's horrible in the book as well, and what's worse, she is the first person narrator!

She does lots and lots and lots of voice-over narration in the film, which is something I usually resent even when I do like the character. (Though there are exceptions, like Dead Like Me and My So-Called Life.) With Nan narrating, it was really grating.

I also resented that it had that good old "lesbian coming out story" plot staple - the evil bisexual first girlfriend

Yeah, I found that pretty disappointing too, especially since I liked Kitty a lot better than Nan. The last of the three eps was okay, though, since I liked Florence and her brother.

[tarchannon]

As far as the Star Trek trailer, you have to start with the fact that the traditional crew is 1 in 7 female. That wasn't going to change. And yes, the bra shot is a touch pandering, but I'm told there is gender equivalence in the film (Kirk, as always, has trouble keeping a short alive). Additionally, and completely unlike the TOS, Uhura supposedly kicks ass in this movie. She not only physically can hold her own with the boys, but she's the best of the best. I mean, this is JJ Abrams! I have *no* doubts that JJ takes care of his ladies. I don't thnk it's quite fair to call this trailer out on gender issues even when viewed on it's own: 90 seconds to convice someone to see a film isn't exactly enough time to be concerned with parity for second tier characters (especially when a first tier character like McCoy barely appears).

[kattahj]

And yes, the bra shot is a touch pandering, but I'm told there is gender equivalence in the film (Kirk, as always, has trouble keeping a short alive). Additionally, and completely unlike the TOS, Uhura supposedly kicks ass in this movie.

I wasn't judging the movie, just the trailer, and I think it's significant that neither of these two things were shown in the film while the four shots I noticed with women in them were 1: breasts, 2: sex, 3: screaming and 4: random background. That's not a question of how many male vs. female characters are in the movie. In fact, I'd have had less reason to cry gender fail without those clips.

I mean, this is JJ Abrams! I have *no* doubts that JJ takes care of his ladies.I haven't seen Alias, but Lost is quite frequently full of gender fail too (albeit less so with time, and certainly less than other shows), so JJ's name alone isn't enough to reassure me

[tarchannon]

Can I ask: how can there be shots of women without breasts? Humans have sex (though I didn't see any sex in the trailer, most sex is heterosexual and hence around 50% female participatory). People scream in action movies - period. And there were both men and women in the background. None of these things are legitimate points

[kattahj]

Can I ask: how can there be shots of women without breasts?

Now you're just being deliberately obtuse. There's a difference between showing a woman who happens to have breasts and focusing on a woman's breasts, as was done with the bra shots.

And yes, heterosexual sex is only 50% female, and yes, there will be screaming in action movies, and yes, there were men in the background, but when men get to do all sorts of things in the trailer and women get to do ONLY these things, I see it as a problem.

The purpose of a movie trailer is to get butts in the seats, and hence, provides an abbriviated, enticing, appealing idea of the film.

Exactly. And what is enticing and appealing to some is off-putting to me.

Star Trek has a VAST female following, and if you're going after a movie/universe/series, the Star Trek one is likely the most feamle supportive, egalitarian one out there. I think youre WAY off base here.
Just a moment ago, you were excusing it with how TOS is 7/1 male. TNG wasn't very cheerful from a gender perspective either,

[kattahj]

I haven't seen the last two. Thanks!

[kattahj]

Coolness, thanks! I've seen most of your guilty pleasures, but not a lot of the others.