Comments | kat_rowe: another sanctuary vid

kat_rowe

another sanctuary vid

Dec 18, 2011 11:00

I had to do this after "The Depths". I understand where Magnus is coming from, but I also sympathize with Will's feelings of being kept out of the loop and held at arm's length by a woman who promised in episode 2 to always be truthful to him and who said in season 2 that he was her emotional compass. That degree of cognitive dissonance can be hard ( Read more... )

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caarianna December 18 2011, 18:35:46 UTC

Oh, great vid. I think I've seen most of the Sanctuary eps, particularly in the last couple of years, but I missed whichever one where Magnus lived for 118 years and had to live it over or whatever and couldn't change anything -- or maybe I just didn't understand what they were talking about in last Friday's ep.

I just don't see them together. She gives the feeling of being old, far too old for him, the one who always knows best. She usually does, but it's got to be incredibly frustrating to work with her. I give him credit for hanging in, for doing the right thing. If it were two guys, it would be the classic buddy fic, but the opposite genders of the characters brings this added complication of a romance that feels like it should happen but never seems to work.

kat_rowe December 18 2011, 18:54:22 UTC

After she went back in time at the end of "Into the Black", James Watson suggested (in "Tempus") to her that she simply find a nice quiet place to stay and take a 118 year vacation, rejoining her own timeline shortly after she left. She came back in "Uprising", ep 2 of season 4 after being MIA (from Will's perspective) for about three days. Since then, it's been pretty clear to Will that she's playing a long game of her own, but she refuses to give him details beyond what she told him in "Untouchable" ("There are changes coming that the world's not ready for. From now on, we make our own rules."). It's understandable that he's got some misgivings ( ... )

ceilidh December 18 2011, 22:25:54 UTC

I love this vid, it's so good. You have such a good take on their relationship. (and I'm friending you, if you don't mind!)

Randomly, not just in this post but all over the fandom, I don't know why everyone feels the need to comment with "I can't see them together" or "I can't ship them" when someone posts something with Helen and Will together. It's... exhausting, I guess.

kat_rowe December 19 2011, 01:50:05 UTC

i've adored their relationship since before I've been comfortable shipping them (and I know it gets old, lol, but in season 1, he was in way too much awe of her for a romantic relationship to have been healthy. as opposed to now when it would just be natural and kinda gorgeous) ... there's just so much loyalty and respect and self-betterment that goes on between them. it reminds me of a quote from an Anthony Hopkins movie (i can't recall which) "You make me want to be a better man than I am" which is is just Magnus and Will in a nutshell. they encourage each other to be better people and that is truly, beautifully epic

I think people can't get past the whole "she held him in his arms when he was a child" thing which is why they have to belabor the whole "I don't ship them" thing. which becomes twice as amusing when some of those same people ship Nine and Rose or Eleven and Amy, lol

also, hello, new friend *shares a hot cuppa with you*

(ps, did a little bird tell me you RP Will?)

ceilidh December 19 2011, 01:55:03 UTC

*takes cuppa* :D

I didn't ship them much until about Eulogy, when "I need you to be my emotional compass" really pinged me, and then Veritas & Next Tuesday really did it for me. But I can also appreciate their friendship not in a shippy way, too.

It's just tiresome, the constant references to not shipping them. Yes, okay, we got it, you don't ship them, okay okay, you're not going to get Helen/Will cooties and accidentally start shipping them if you don't repeat it five times a day, seriously. Like I don't find it necessary to reiterate how I don't ship Magnus/Druitt if I talk about a scene with them, although I might start.

(I do! on the_blank_slate, he and Magnus left canon from Next Tuesday so they don't know anything about their life after that except bits they got from like, Kate and Declan and Tesla and Druitt later on.)

kat_rowe December 19 2011, 14:29:52 UTC

that emotional compass line really did signal a tangible change in their relationship. It signaled that Magnus believed he was finally really to step up and be what she needed. Unfortunately, after more than a century of going it alone (to the point where even her canon lover Watson comments on it in an entirely accepting and not-bitter just regretful way in Revelations), she has a hard time lettering herself trust/rely on others, even her monkey ( ... )

rowan_d December 23 2011, 20:36:50 UTC

Very cool. Yeah, "The Depths" has me totally in over-the-moon fangirl mode, too ( ... )

kat_rowe December 26 2011, 17:23:57 UTC

*pets the Magnus* she's in a very tough situation and it's made more poignant by the fact that Will very clearly aches to fill the void in her life. I don't hate Abby quite as much as I did at first (although I kinda hate the writers for not doing more with her character), but I think Will would dump her in a yankee second if Magnus stopped holding him at arm's length ( ... )

rowan_d December 30 2011, 00:28:10 UTC

*pets the Magnus* she's in a very tough situation and it's made more poignant by the fact that Will very clearly aches to fill the void in her life.

I agree. The Reader's Digest version of my present Magnus theory (which I will no doubt soon babble about in detail in my LJ) -- We all know that before she jumped back to the past, she had been withdrawing from her loved ones, distancing herself to protect herself over a long period of time. Even James had felt it quite keenly, and they were once very very close. And he knew what she was doing and why, but he never pushed her hard enough to stop her. And then she lost Ashley, and that was the first thing in a century that she couldn't handle alone, couldn't quite keep her head above water without support. So, she opened up more to her friends and let them be her friends a bit more for a while. And they got used to that. Then she started finding her ground and pulling away a bit. And at that point, she was then forced into 113 years of having no choice but to stay completely ( ... )

kat_rowe January 3 2012, 02:09:12 UTC

Your theory of Magnus rings really true, and the secrecy she's imposed on herself with the latest crazy brilliant plan hasn't helped. Will and the others remember a Magnus who was starting to thaw but now she's got even more reason to be guarded. It's sad but has the potential for some beautiful growth for both the characters and their relationships. I think a big step forward for Will is realizing that there ARE times when he'll be kept out of the loop and rightly so. That alone will ease some of the friction even if I'm sure he'll keep pushing her for more disclosure ( ... )