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[karneol_vision]

So is being red-carded for a rough tackle = 'assaulting another player or other person present at the match'* = 3 match ban?

Is that the standard procedure when a player gets a straight red card?
And yes, this is a question.

*Article 10(e) of the European body's regulations (according to uk.eurosport.yahoo.com at least)

EdiT: Oh seriously now, does

Comments

[pretty_panther]

Yeah I think so to answer your question. A suspension from collecting yellows is 1, two yellows and being sent off in a game is a 2 match ban and a straight red is a 3 match ban but can be more. Depends how bad the tackle is.

[karneol_vision]

Duh.

Thanks for taking the time and explaining.

[missalonso]

England spielt ja heute, also wenn ich es richtig gesehen hatte. Ich hatte das letzte Spiel noch nicht gesehen gehabt. Hatte halt nur auf FB gelesen, dass es zu ner Roten Karte gekommen ist und das sie unentschieden gespielt hatten.
Hoffentlich gibt es heute nen Sieg.

Aber es ist halt interessant zu lesen wie sich das mit den Karten und den Aussetzen von Spielen ergibt.

[karneol_vision]

Naja, sie sind mit 18 Punkten Tabellenerster und Montenegro nach ihnen hat 12 Punkte. Probleme gibts dahingehend also nicht.
Was mich so aufregt ist die Einstellung der Engländer zu ihrer eigenen Mannschaft. Ich denke, mit all den Dingen, die ich so sehe und lese, die meisten Engländer müssen ihr Team wirklich hassen.

Wayne hat eine rote Karte bekommen, weil er in einen Gegenspieler reingefahren ist. Es scheint als würde er demnach für drei Spiele ausfallen, und daraufhin fragen sich die Leute in den Medien ob er denn überhaupt noch mitgenommen werden sollte um nach der Sperre, sollte er denn eine bekommen, zu spielen.

Ich finds nicht wirklich interessant, um ehrlich zu sein, ich finds eher scheiße.

[missalonso]

Ufffff...also das die Engländer so denken, dass hätte ich jetzt nicht gedacht.
Hmm warum sollte er nichtmehr mitgenommen werden? Eine Rote Karte kann jeder mal kassieren. Die Frage ist dann halt nur...wäre diese zu verhindern gewesen. Das ist so diese Frage, welche ich mir bei jeder Roten Karte stelle. Zum letzten mal bei der von Denis {Gelb für Beschweren, Gelb für nen Foul und daraus resultierte halt seine Rote -.-}. Ist ein Castilla Spieler ;).

Mit interessant fand ich die Erklärung in dem ersten Kommentar, weil ich jetzt mitreden kann wielange ein Spieler gesperrt sein kann. Das war halt ne neue Information für mich.

Rote Karten sind immer blöd....insofern stimme ich dir in den letzten Worten zu 100% zu.

[karneol_vision]

Ist aber in großem Masse so. Natürlich nicht alle. Das ist eine Generalisierung. Aber _generell_ ist es eben doch zu spüren. Das sagen mir auch viele Menschen, die in letzter Zeit eine längere Zeit dort gelebt haben. Zudem nutzen auch die Medien jede Gelegenheit dazu die Spieler zu verreißen, selbst wegen Kleinigkeiten, und dass auch in Fällen, wo sie zum Beispiel bei uns sogar von der Bild zeitung Unterstützung bekommen würden

[elizaberglund]

About the red cards I second the opinion above.

About this statement that football is a working class sport... First off all I think it's not trueth anymore. Granted, it has such rooths but it has such a wide range of fanbase now and also not all footballers come from this background that this statement became a cliche itself. And than there is the thing you said yourself, there are stereotypes asociated with working class that people don't want associated with themselves. If working class people are dumb tughs and football is a sport for working class than football fans are dumb tughs. Which is wrong ofcourse but that's how it is. So I guess it is about those 2 things: 1)it's faulse 2) stereotypes.

[karneol_vision]

The sad thing is that my criticism IS that football fans ARE dumb thugs. On all the sports sites, the majority of user comments consists of complete dumbassery, insults and coarse language. Noe of them even try to work against any kind of stereotypes, and this is what reinforces the cliches. That is what makes the stereotypes the truth.

[lovinthelads]

Yeah, they really are. And I won't even pretend to defend Chelsea fans. I know them. I'm friends with them. I see them behave the way they do at matches and in pubs. They're low class thugs.

It's funny, because in America, football (soccer) fans tend to be a higher class. Richer, better educated, whatever the standard you want to use. When I lived in England and said I loved football, people thought poorly of me because of it. It took me awhile to realize it, and when I went to so many matches, they thought less of me.

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[karneol_vision]

[_runningmascara]

you have to remember that behind a computer these "fans" are a lot quicker to bash players and criticize their play so i wouldn't be so quick to judge the entire fan base. for sure it's disheartening to see fans say things like that about players who putting in their hardest day in and day out but i wouldn't put too much weight on it.

[karneol_vision]

You know, it's hard not to judge if barely one out of 50 comments can be called sensible. And it's harder if it's the same on every site that you get on. It's hard when you see and hear the fans on TV, in the stadiums you go to, walking before you, standing behind you, talking and spewing their opinions all around you. And these are not people behind a computer, miles away.

I'm aware of the fact that these are not all the fans that exist. But I can no longer believe that it is NOT a majority or at least a really huge percentage of 'fans' that behave in ways that I cannot support, being a part of both, that what was 'working class' and that what is football fans.

[_runningmascara]

i'm sure wayne gets plenty of support too and he should focus on that. he's done well so far this season and will continue to do so because that's the type of player he is. negative and positive criticism comes with the territory and i am sure he knew that when he decided to become a footballer.

[karneol_vision]

Thank you, I know that.
Lol, I'm afraid it is me that I worry about :)

[lovinthelads]

It's what Fernando Torres got for his tackle in the Swansea match. Straight red always means a three match ban...I thought...?

[karneol_vision]

That's why I asked, I don't really concern myself with punishments in football too much. On the one hand there were too many occassions when that would have proved to be highly frustrating and I would probably have killed every person that crossed my path with their talk and their comments because really...
And it's the Premier League and there are cards and tackles and too harsh play, it's not good, but it's there. And with Cris there used to be yellows mostly, and mostly for random stupidity or undressing... oh those were the times... so I didn't much care.

Well, at least the season is long, and Torres won't miss the Euro.

[lovinthelads]

Exactly. And these days, an international ban is almost a blessing. Time to rest!

[karneol_vision]

It might be true, but it's unfortunately not how I see it.