Pet peeve

Dec 14, 2004 18:30

I've run across no fewer than three rec sites recently in which the reccer says she's seen nothing, or very little, of a show, and then proceeds to rec a long list of fanfic for that show. This annoys me to no end - in fact, I might go so far as to say it pisses me off, deeply, and almost offends me. I mean, why bother - and where do you find the ( Read more... )

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executrix December 15 2004, 02:50:44 UTC
IMO one of the unique characteristics of fandom is the interchangeability among readers, writers and betas (and migration among fandoms). Somewhere between "today's trade is tomorrow's competition" and "today's pig is tomorrow's bacon."

Something can be a pretty good, fair-to-middlin' or excellent piece of fiction without being particularly true to canon. After all, there's no "source text" for a Raymond Carver or Eudora Welty short story. The question of canon fidelity is a separate one. The converse is that something can be very true to canon, but be a simply putrid piece of fiction. And one of the most productive sources of kerfuffles is disagreement about interpretation of a particular canon event, or what Character X is "really like."

Then again, for PotC "canon" is less than three hours. I write in Blakes7, where canon is 52 episodes, and Firefly, where canon is 14 episodes--whereas if any poor bugger is out there writing Coronation Street fics....

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justacat December 16 2004, 03:33:23 UTC
IMO one of the unique characteristics of fandom is the interchangeability among readers, writers and betas (and migration among fandoms). Somewhere between "today's trade is tomorrow's competition" and "today's pig is tomorrow's bacon."

I've thought about that a lot - wrote about it in this comment (was going to just repeat it but didn't feel like it; one day I'll make a post about it).

Typically, though, I used about 5 thousand times more words than you and you said it about 5 thousand times more effectively - pig, bacon, yes.

And one of the most productive sources of kerfuffles is disagreement about interpretation of a particular canon event, or what Character X is "really like."I've decided after thinking about this a lot that for me the issue isn't what the character is "really" like - I think it's possible to get to almost any characterization of almost any character, if you take enough small steps - it's like six degrees of separation ( ... )

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executrix December 16 2004, 16:04:39 UTC
Thanks for the link--I enjoyed reading the discussion.

A lot of what I like about fandom is what I identify as girly--as you say in another context, the non-hierarchical structure that puts a high value on cooperation. And, although as a general rule prowriters like fan letters, they usually aren't so big on the concrit.

I think that a really idiosyncratic fanfic characterization is actually *less* like the more conventional fanfic characterization than one plucky, slightly chunky, Manolo-loving chicklit heroine is like another (or taciturn Western hero or tough-streetwise-but-secretly-sentimental private eye).

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justacat December 16 2004, 23:40:39 UTC
A lot of what I like about fandom is what I identify as girly

Absolutely. I did a post about girly stuff too at some point last year - and the non-hierarchical structure is a big part of it for me.

I think that a really idiosyncratic fanfic characterization is actually *less* like the more conventional fanfic characterization than one plucky, slightly chunky, Manolo-loving chicklit heroine is like another Okay, I thought about this for a while and must admit that I don't think I understand what you're getting at ... that characterizations in fanfic within the same fandom are more varied than characterizations in original genre fic between entirely different worlds/books? Hmmm, that's an interesting point (if indeed that's what you mean) - you'd expect that since fanfic is always about the same characters, characterizations would be more similar rather than less. But perhaps the very fact that the characters and the world are "known" to the reader gives the author freedom to vary characterization without worrying that the reader ( ... )

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ineke December 15 2004, 03:05:23 UTC
I loved the fandom Due South for a long time before actually seeing the relevant canon. But I'm of the opinion that one can gain a fairly good grasp of the relevant characterisations by discussing canon with people who have seen it, by reading episode summaries and transcripts, by reading large amounts of fiction -- and in reading widely, gradually learning to tell what's a more open interpretation of canon from what cleaves more closely. And knowledge of canon is so variable, as other people have pointed out. Would you say that someone who's only seen, say, DS S3 is entitled to make F/V recs, for example?

Personally, I'll give recs a chance if I know they're from people who can tell good writing from bad writing-- not whether or not they've actually seen the show. Besides, one person's idea of an 'acceptable' characterisation could be another's unacceptably OOC (I know a few people regard cesperanza's Fraser characterisations as a bit wide of canon for their taste), so recs always come with a pinch of salt, regardless.

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justacat December 16 2004, 03:43:33 UTC
Would you say that someone who's only seen, say, DS S3 is entitled to make F/V recs, for example

Entitled ... well, I suppose people are entitled to do whatever they want - there is the very irrational, childish part of me that wants to say: you can't be part of the club if you don't pay your dues!, but the part of me that (generally) predominates believes, go ahead, make recs, no skin off my back. Though truly, I don't think a person who's never seen any of s3 is able to be a decent arbiter of good F/K fanfiction (as opposed simply to good fiction, or good writing, about which I wrote more in my subsequent post).

But back to my visceral reaction rather than my rational beliefs: people have all different views of what's OOC. But if the reccer has seen source, at least I know she has some basis - whether I agree or not - with her views of characterization, and so though I might not agree with her recs, the fact that she's made them doesn't arouse the same reaction as the same recs would from someone who doesn't know source....

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ardent_muses December 15 2004, 03:28:21 UTC
Right there with you. Quelle surprise. :)

On the other hand, I try to take it with a grain of salt if I can. There are a lot of people whose recs often seem crack-headed to me, and life's too short for me to stress about them. (Which is not to say that if it pisses you off, you shouldn't just let yourself be pissed off. *G*)

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blktauna December 15 2004, 04:53:43 UTC
No you are not alone... I am a media fan first and a fic fan second... And what I have noticed with fans like the one you mentioned,is that by and large, they are reccing the Mills & Boon/Harlequin version of whatever the fandom in question is... Personally I'd completely eradicate all these stories from the face of the planet... but its not all about me and my taste is it ;)

Anyway, No I get crazed at that, probably more than you do... Maybe its a Virgo thing.

Maybe I'm just an elitist who doesn't like dabblers ;)

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minotaurs December 15 2004, 04:59:32 UTC
If they're just reccing, I'd say No Big Deal - it's the people who try to write in a fandom without know the source that get my ire. "I've only ever seen 5 minutes of this show, but I love the guys so much I had to write this!"

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