I've thought about the guilt Elizabeth must feel after her possession quite a lot, and I love the way you tie that into this scenario about Ronon. He really is younger than they think - in maturity if not in years. He knows how to fight and survive but that's about all. Nothing about the connections of humanity. John and Elizabeth consulting over his sexual habits is hilarious and exactly what they would do. And I can see that Elizabeth's efforts to integrate Ronon into Atlantis better is well meant but oh, she's going to mess him up even more! Poor boy.
He really is younger than they think - in maturity if not in years. He knows how to fight and survive but that's about all. Nothing about the connections of humanity.
Right? Because all of his socialization and development was suspended for 7 years - so even if he was 18 or so going into it, he's just kind of stopped there.
I like the idea of Yound Ronon too, because it leaves some speace for the idea that there is more leeway in Satedan society than immediately occurs to him. He was raised right, so he knows about the rules, and how to follow them, but he hadn't yet reached the point of working out his own code of behavior. For instance, in spite of what Ronon believes, I don't think is snuggling up to Kell the week before the big battle was so overhwelming to Kell that it caused his behavior. But Ronon can't see it - he's been alone for so long, that he's even more the center of his own universe than most people are.
Re: young RononthepouncerMarch 23 2006, 19:45:53 UTC
And then the trauma of being on the run all the time! I'm surprised he's as well socialized as he is, and that he settled into Atlantis-the-show without many difficulties. The big one was his revenge killing of Kell, but that was kept from everyone but Teyla, so they really don't know how different Ronon's moral code is.
in spite of what Ronon believes, I don't think is snuggling up to Kell the week before the big battle was so overhwelming to Kell that it caused his behavior.
Oh yes, I thought that came through quite clearly - that Ronon isn't really the best judge of motivations even within his own culture. And can you imagine the guilt he must feel about surviving? Even before he knew Sateda was gone, he knew that a large proportion of his people had been captured by the Wraith.
Oh noes! She tried to talk to him but he was sleeeeping! Bad Elizabeth, not waiting for him to be a part of the conversation. I can't wait to read the conversation where all of this gets sorted out... and I would love a delicately PC discussion that confuses Ronon even more until Rodney barrels in and rudely states the crux of the thing, with, you know, hand gestures.
Your Elizabeth voice was very well done. I could hear her rationalizing badly to herself and feeling guilt over the first thing that came to mind so she wouldn't have to pursue the matter any further.
Your Elizabeth voice was very well done. I could hear her rationalizing badly to herself and feeling guilt over the first thing that came to mind so she wouldn't have to pursue the matter any further.
Thank you! That's fantastic to hear!
Oh noes! She tried to talk to him but he was sleeeeping! Bad Elizabeth, not waiting for him to be a part of the conversation.
I think she'll talk to him again when he is awake. I think it was really hard for her to deal with what she had done, and this was like a warm-up apology. And now she's found somehting else to distract herself with for a while.
I think she will be the one who has to solve it in the end - whether that means figuring out what's going on, or figuring out how to help Ronon through it or whatever. She is supposed to be the leader of this band - and, I've heard tell that she's got skills in diplomacy and sociology that might help. That's why it was killing me that I couldn't write her, cause she's IMPORTANT
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this is lovely.
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Thank you! I am glad you liked Elizabeth here.
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Right? Because all of his socialization and development was suspended for 7 years - so even if he was 18 or so going into it, he's just kind of stopped there.
I like the idea of Yound Ronon too, because it leaves some speace for the idea that there is more leeway in Satedan society than immediately occurs to him. He was raised right, so he knows about the rules, and how to follow them, but he hadn't yet reached the point of working out his own code of behavior. For instance, in spite of what Ronon believes, I don't think is snuggling up to Kell the week before the big battle was so overhwelming to Kell that it caused his behavior. But Ronon can't see it - he's been alone for so long, that he's even more the center of his own universe than most people are.
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in spite of what Ronon believes, I don't think is snuggling up to Kell the week before the big battle was so overhwelming to Kell that it caused his behavior.
Oh yes, I thought that came through quite clearly - that Ronon isn't really the best judge of motivations even within his own culture. And can you imagine the guilt he must feel about surviving? Even before he knew Sateda was gone, he knew that a large proportion of his people had been captured by the Wraith.
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Your Elizabeth voice was very well done. I could hear her rationalizing badly to herself and feeling guilt over the first thing that came to mind so she wouldn't have to pursue the matter any further.
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Thank you! That's fantastic to hear!
Oh noes! She tried to talk to him but he was sleeeeping! Bad Elizabeth, not waiting for him to be a part of the conversation.
I think she'll talk to him again when he is awake. I think it was really hard for her to deal with what she had done, and this was like a warm-up apology. And now she's found somehting else to distract herself with for a while.
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