Palestinian Tantrum at Putin the Poisoner When He References Reality

[jordan179]

Some news items just make you want to laugh. Case in point:

Gil Rorien, "Arab Rage: Putin Recognized Jerusalem's Jewish Past," first published 06/28/2012,

Arab Muslims are enraged by remarks made by Russian President Vladimir Putin at the Kotel, recognizing Jerusalem's Jewish roots

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Holy City, Batman!

[metaphorsbwithu]

As I recall, although Congress approved a resolution recognizing Jerusalem as the capitol of Israel during the Bush administration, neither the State Department nor the White House currently does and, in fact, the WH removed references linking Israel and Jerusalem in pictures and text on their website and always refers to them in separate contexts.

For example, an official or delegation may have visited Jerusalem OR Israel but never Jerusalem, Israel.

Re: Holy City, Batman!

[jordan179]

Yes, but that's not the issue. What the Muslim Terrorists are denying is that Jerusalem was ever anciently a Jewish city. Which is to say, they're denying known historical reality.

Re: Holy City, Batman!

[metaphorsbwithu]

Yes, I know that.

Excuse me for resorting to irony in commenting on the subtle linkage between crazy terrorists educated U.S. governmental officials. :-D

Muslim terrorists also believe the Jews rewrote the Bible, that Jesus was a Muslim, and that the story of Abraham, Isaac and Ishmael was twisted and perverted by the Jews.

Should Islamic terrorists have their way and dominate the world, their version of history will become "known hgistorical reality."

[marycatelli]

Notice the brisk passing over the non-Biblical evidence.

[jordan179]

It happens to be true that the Jews dominated the former Land of Canaan from c. 1150 BC to c. AD 79. Attested to by the Bible, by the Greco-Roman sources, and by modern archaeology. It doesn't become untrue just because you don't like the Bible.

[fpb]

I think there is a serious difference between Putin and Soviet leaders. To the Soviet leadership at least until Chernenko, Russia was nothing more than the platform from which the world revolution was to spread. I think people consistently underrate just what a proportion of the Soviet state was dedicated to what may broadly be called foreign policy - infiltration, ideological warfare, the effective management of large areas of public opinion across the world. Hundreds of thousands, possibly millions, of people worked on these things. It's even wrong to call it espionage; the clandestine operations of the Soviet Union were both too immense and too abstract for that. Can anyone imagine a British or American government detailing a whole ministry to controlling the culture of foreign countries? They would not know where to start. But that was much of what the Soviet state did. One reason why Russia tended to be backward and impoverished is that its resources were constantly being skimmed for this immense labour of worldwide expansion

[jordan179]

I'm not arguing that Putin is a Communist. I'm arguing that he's still obsessed by the notion that America is his natural enemy, which is foolish because we're more like his natural ally right now. His support for Mideastern Terrorist States is not in Russia's long-term interests, because if he strengthens them, he is strengthening people who have centuries-old hatreds of Russia and who live next door to Russian or at least Russian-allied territory.

[fpb]

I don't argue otherwise, But, one, Putin is not structurally anchored to the politics of world revolution, and so he might change his mind or reach a better understanding of Russia's strategic interests; and, two, Putin is not everlasting, and his successors may reach the understanding he lacked. What I am saying is that the subversive use of Russian power is no longer a part of the nature of things.

[jordan179]

Oh, I definitely agree that Putin's Russia is less of a threat than was the Soviet Union. It's weaker, for one thing, and less ambitious, for another. We might wind up warring with it by miscalculation, but I don't see Putin launching a campaign of world conquest.

[shockwave77598]

I don't think much needs to be feared here. The jews in Israel who escaped from Russia have had a very good taste of what Putin has to bring to the table, and not a single emmigrae will trust Russia to tell them what the time of day is. How many died before escaping to Israel in the 70s? Noone knows, but it's not a small number. And you can bet your last dollar that nobody in power has forgotten that Russia had it's own merciless "cleansing" pograms throughout history

couple of questions

[argghh]

1. Why is he the Poisoner?
2. Nowadays Russia has not inherited sovjet ideology, moreover sovjet times are often used as a scary tale for children to convince people to support the current regime otherwise the scary kommis would come back.
Putin, despite his KGB past, never once stepped out of this doctrine. Thus, he shouldn't and wouldn't care what sovjet ideologs thought about Jerusalem's past.
3. I disagree with your interpretation of 1941 events. USSR alignment with nazist Germany was short-lived by design. USSR planned to wage war on Germany, but germans managed first. Which, by the way, explains their huge success in the beginning of war: sovjet army was prepared to attack, not to stand ground.

Re: couple of questions

[shockwave77598]

He's so named because a russian defector named Litvineko (sp?) was telling the west all of Putin's dirty little secrets while living in Britain. And he somehow got a lethal dose of Polonium 210, a radioisotope found only in nuclear reactors with a halflife of only 138 days. Kills in a couple of weeks and doesn't last in the body long after the death. He was poisoned, but the Po210 was detected. Only a few research reactors on Earth can make Po210. The US has some -- see if you can guess where the rest are?

Putin poisoned one of his staunchest critics with a nucleotide so rare that basically they spent 50million to silence him... IN ENGLAND!

Re: couple of questions

[argghh]

Oh that... we here have already forgotten Litvinenko. Putin gives us new reasons to call him names every day.

Re: couple of questions

[fpb]

He also had former Ukrainian president Yuschenko poisoned, though Yushchenko survived.