Obamacare Passed -- Welcome to Eurocare

Jun 28, 2012 09:52

The power to tax is the power to destroy. And the Federal Government has just acquired a bit more destructive power ( Read more... )

economics, america, healthcare, obamacare, politics, barack obama

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ext_1279885 June 28 2012, 16:59:22 UTC
Exaggeration much?

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fpb June 28 2012, 17:01:03 UTC
Most of this happens because Obama wanted to sweeten the deal for the private insurance vultures. Which he has. But your assumption that the best care will be in the private sector is not consonant with the European experience. Both in Italy and in Britain, the best care is in the public sector, because of the concentration of resources and research. The main advantage of the private sector is that there are no queues, but ask any NHS operators and they will tell you that private operators will only cope as long as there are no major issues - "then they'll dump the mess on us". Don't believe the horror stories - most public health service is first rate, and I can tell you so because I am using it right here and now. The only systemic problem is the queues.

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jordan179 June 28 2012, 17:04:40 UTC
The main advantage of the private sector is that there are no queues ...

That is a rather large advantage, since the difference in prognosis between a condition treated promptly and one treated weeks, months or years later is often literally one of life and death.

... but ask any NHS operators and they will tell you that private operators will only cope as long as there are no major issues.

Private health care insurers. For the rich, there is always the option of paying out-of-pocket. But under Obamacare, the cost of paying out-of-pocket will also rise, because the supply of competent doctors will diminish. This will mean that one will have to be even richer to get top-quality health care.

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fpb June 28 2012, 17:09:44 UTC
In case you had not read what I wrote, THE BEST DOCTORS ARE I THE NHS. People such as Sir Magdi Yacoub, the heart transplant specialist, work in public hospitals. That is a regularity. If you believe that money is the only reward that will motivate a man to perform at top level, you were not made to be a doctor anyway.

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pogo101 June 28 2012, 17:47:10 UTC
Assuming that Dr. Yacoub is one of "the best," one guy deciding to stay in NHS hardly disproves the larger trend. NOR DOES YOUR CHILDISH USE OF ALL-CAPS.

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pogo101 June 28 2012, 17:45:55 UTC
Thank you, CJ Roberts, shown here:


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fervid_dryfire June 28 2012, 18:00:46 UTC
I've got a sneaking suspicion that Roberts is either a traitor or was threatened/bribed to fix the ruling with his crucial vote. Which, I guess, would still mean he's a traitor either way.

The man deserves several metric tons of hate-mail, either way.

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wombat_socho June 28 2012, 22:47:59 UTC
I think you are focusing too much on his failure to do what most of us here would like him to have done and not enough on the subtle wedgie he has applied to the Administration and their enablers in the Democratic Party. He has made it clear, contra the President, that this law is in fact a tax, and his opinion also undermines the evil precedent of Wickard v. Filburn signaling that Congress can't use the Commerce Clause whenever it feels like forcing something down the throat of the citizenry. He has set the scene for the law to be repealed by the next Congress (and since it is a tax law, it cannot be filibustered in the Senate) and made all the leftists who were raging about the "politicized" Court look like the morons they are. Not only that, he's made it clear that the solution to Obamacare is political, not judicial; his opinion basically says, "Yeah, this law is a wretched P.O.S., but it's constitutional. You guys need to fix it."

Not a bad day's work, actually.

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ford_prefect42 June 29 2012, 00:34:17 UTC
Having read the opinion, I am inclined to agree. Particularly since having ruled that it *is* a tax, it is now open to another challenge per the Anti-Injunction Act in 2014 when it is first applied.

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belvarius June 28 2012, 18:37:33 UTC
http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/06/to-the-voting-booth/

I think that just about sums it up. The only thing I'll add is that I believe this decision may turn this election cycle into one of the most vicious and ugly the U.S. has ever seen. We will see in a couple of weeks if I'm right on that as Congressional primaries are decided and we move on to the main campaigns for November.

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marycatelli June 29 2012, 15:40:03 UTC
Impossible.

Or at least impossible to judge. It was already shaping up for that.

Given all the racist scum who voted for Obama based on the color of his skin and not the content of his character, given the way they must know in their hearts of hearts that it was not only evil but stupid by now, given that it's human nature to deny such knowledge and lash out, projecting your own faults on others -- I suppose it was inevitable.

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belvarius June 29 2012, 16:56:32 UTC
True, it was already shaping up to be pretty nasty. Perhaps I should have said I believe it will make it far worse. We'll see soon, though I personally might just start muting the radio/tv during commercial breaks once I've heard them a few times.

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Welcom NHS USA actonrf June 28 2012, 18:54:18 UTC
"NHS hospitals are using end-of-life care to help elderly patients to die because they are difficult to look after and take up valuable beds, a top doctor has warned."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/elderhealth/9343428/Elderly-patients-helped-to-die-to-free-up-beds-warns-doctor.html

Above is what I fear as a somebody with a chronic heath issue. It bad enough waiting six months for a Veterans Admin appointment.

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