Egypt Going Terrorist - Hamas Celebrates

[jordan179]

From Al-Arabiyah News, "Hamas jubilant over Mursi's Egyptian presidential victory claim," Tuesday 19 June 2012

http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/06/19/221474.html

Hamas leaders and supporters in Gaza Strip celebrated Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood

Comments

[shockwave77598]

Ah but alllllll we needed to do was bring democracy to the middle east, and alllllll would be well. Remember that

[polaris93]

Unless of course you and yours are willing to admit that democracy doesn't work for $area, which is a pill I dislike swallowing as much as you.

Unfortunately, as long as Islam is the primary religion in that area, democracy can't work there. Islam is all about slavery and conquest, which are 180 degrees away from a democratic mind-set. So until Islam changes or simply fails there, real democracy is not likely to set in any time soon.

[marycatelli]

Democracy is showing many signs of not being able to work in American and Europe, and in the long predicted style (through people's discovery that they can vote themselves money from the public purse), so it's not exactly surprising that it doesn't work elsewhere. Especially since it has a long history of not working.

A pure democracy can admit no cure for the mischiefs of faction. A common passion or interest will be felt by a majority, and there is nothing to check the inducements to sacrifice the weaker party. Hence it is, that democracies have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have, in general, been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.

[kitten_goddess]

@marycatelli:

What would you suggest instead of democracy? I'm really interested in hearing your opinion.

[polaris93]

Earlier this month, a prominent Egyptian cleric said at a presidential campaign rally that if Mursi were to win, Jerusalem would become the new capital of Egypt.

Gee, I wonder what the Saudis would think of that.

[maxgoof]

Or the Palestinians, or the Jordanians....

[polaris93]

Somebody didn't think this through, looks like.

[ford_prefect42]

Actually, given the way the alliances are currently shaped... It looks like it would be egypt, syria, iran, russia, and china, versus Israel, the US, great Britain, and australia, with the rest of europe sitting it out on account of total economic instability.

A war which we are unlikely to win. Russia, China, and Iran will not hesitate to use the effective methods, we WILL. China can field an army numbered in the hundreds of millions. And lose them without suffering from it. We (between the set of us) can not come close to that. China can produce military machinery at a rate that we can't even think about, and produce it well. Russia produces enough oil to keep the war effort going, between the set of the "allies", we're *huge* importers.

On top of those logistical considerations, we're also infected with liberals, and that's a condition that makes fighting a war impossible.

[jordan179]

Sure, if you assume that all Israel's enemies are willing to pile on and the US and the Anglosphere aid Israel. I think it's much more likely that Russia, China, America and the Anglosphere would sit it out, which would make this Israel versus some number of Muslim Powers. In particular, what would Russia and China gain from destroying Israel, that would be worth the risk of going to war against a nuclear-armed Power?

[oronoda]

It is also worth noting the Islamists and Muslim extremists don't particularly like Russia. Russia did fight a war with the Taliban and they were largely responsible for the influence of the Ba'ath party and Nasserism, thoughts that don't bode well for the overly religious.

[jordan179]

Unless Putin the Poisoner is crazier than I think, he has to see the downside of this. If everything goes right, Israel is destroyed with Russia taking no hits, America and the Anglosphere pull out of the Mideast ...

... leaving Russia confronting the Central Asian Muslims ALONE. What happens next?

Could Putin really be so dense that he would repeat Stalin's mistake of 1939-41?

[oronoda]

... I don't really blame the military for doing it what it did. I don't agree with a lot of what they did but a MB government that WROTE THE CONSTITUTION no less would not bode well for the people. They would have gotten Egypt into a war with Israel (something they cannot afford) and slowly take away the rights of people who weren't good Muslims. This is why I disagree with Theocracies so much because the moment you declare yourself a religious state, those who do not follow the religion are automatically second class citizens.

The funny thing is the parliament was unconstitutional. There WERE seats set aside for the unaffiliated that went to MB or al-Nour. I was kind of baffled when I saw that. The secularists, Sufis, and Copts launched a complaint about that.

But both candidates declare they won. It would be hilarious if it weren't so tragic.

[hannahsarah]

We may all be screwed. The US and Israel both don't have the governmental will to defend themselves, and are too easily swayed by public opinion on the Left.

Israel will build it's security fence in the south, and more soldiers will die protecting that fence. Tunnels will continue to go under it, and the arms flow to Gaza will not be slowed one iota. Prez Barry will urge everyone to "sit down and negotiate", while everyone around us and our allies stockpiles weapons.

IMHO, we're all in G-d's hands, no matter what.