Anarchy Among the Anarchists - A Mass of Naive Victims in Zucotti Park

[jordan179]

From http://melvin-udall.livejournal.com/1336190.html?view=8072318#t8072318 referencing Candace M. Giove, "Post Reporter Spends an 'In Tents' Night Amid Anarchy in Zucotti Park"Read more... )

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[kalance]

They aren't actually claiming to be "anarchists" are they?

They have a general assembly, and a process for requesting funds to run committees on various issues. They have a level of government that is just as or more convoluted than any city council in the nation.

That's the problem with "anarchists" they aren't!

Granted, what they don't seem to have is any sort of internal policing force, and that is what's going to sink them for sure. Every day there's a new article about an Occupier vandalizing something or assaulting someone.

[ford_prefect42]

Rorschach movement.
*Some* of them are claiming to be anarchists. That means that all the retarded anarchists can claim OWS as their own, despite the fact that the vast bulk of the OWS want to expand government hugely.

[jordan179]

They started out as anarchists, but swiftly found that when there were thousands of them, problems of internal organization (and policing) became overwhelming without some sort of formal organization. Which, I hope, is causing some at least some of them to re-examine their assumptions.

Granted, what they don't seem to have is any sort of internal policing force, and that is what's going to sink them for sure. Every day there's a new article about an Occupier vandalizing something or assaulting someone.

Indeed. They have two general problems -- preventing criminals from preying on themselves, and preventing their most violent elements from getting all of them in trouble.

[mauser]

"Which, I hope, is causing some at least some of them to re-examine their assumptions."

I don't share your optimism. They already have demonstrated a very high capacity for self-delusion. I doubt they will overcome it.

[polaris93]

The problem is that we can wrangle out why anarchy just doesn't work all day long and they will never get it. Once upon a time, when most the victims products of our public schools could still read and think, maybe they could have, but not now. It's all so much gobbledygook to them, even after going through that horror story. Maybe we should send them to the Wizard to get some brains.

[gothelittle]

I came up with this last night

[jordan179]

That's a very good insight. The weakness of Socialist society normally leads to the rise of a dictator, but the Occupiers are leaderless and lack the power of violent enforcement of the desires of any would-be dictator, because they are embedded in a larger society which would intervene with police forces if they started to engage in imprisonments or executions. So, instead, they progress directly to the point at which the Socialist sytem actually starts falling. Rampant gangsterism and the fission of society into tribes.

Those tribes would be forming micro-armies, too, if not for the watchful power of the NYPD. You might instead of Russia 1989 be seeing Yugoslavia 1992.

[brezhnev]

They simply haven't had an effective enough demagogue rise to the top yet.

[jordan179]

Oh, and note the ranting about "government infiltrators" being responsible for the chaos. Remember how Lenin and Stalin ranted about "spies, saboteurs and wreckers" in the pay of the "capitalists?"

[rhjunior]

I've never heard a description of "anarchy" to beat this one:

"Anarchy isn't where you get whatever you want. Anarchy is your fourth grade gym class-- for all eternity. Now shut up and give me your lunch money!"

[gothelittle]

That's perfect, and it's similar to what I've been saying... If they succeed in collapsing society, they will soon find that the only things they can own are what they can defend by force.