Jelgate's Two Cents-Divided

[jelgate]

We all knew this was coming. It was obvious from day 1 when Rush stranded everyone on the Destiny. Its inevitable when to different kind of people are stuck in a common area. Its inevitable that these kind of people will begin to clash and makes changes. And because I read spoilers I knew a huge confrontation but for it to happen like this was

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[endlessdeep]

Speaking of ideologies their is a flaw in Rush's thinking. While it is defiantly true that a civilized society is run by civilian control. Destiny is not a separate country.

I disagree. :)

They are far removed form Earth and likely never to get back. Ultimately they are going to have to come up with their own system of leadership. They are in essence their own little country. Military leadership of small countries is normally considered a dictatorship. They are bullies. Young barely listens to any advice given him. Anything Eli says he totally discounts. To Young, his word is law, no matter how wrong his conclusions. And Eli is his pawn. I'm hoping Eli wakes up some day and stops blindly taking Colonel Young's orders. Maybe he is afraid he'll be left on a planet or put out an airlock if he doesn't. lol.

[jelgate]

Many military groups tend to be far removed from the Pentagon in RL but they are still required to follow the proper chain of command. Seems like a simliar scenraio. Just because they are far removed doen't mean they stop following US (or IOA) rules. As for Young that is totally BS. Just because he doesn't do what ulterior motive Rush doesn't mean he doesn't listen.

[ashimon]

"Speaking of ideologies their is a flaw in Rush's thinking. While it is defiantly true that a civilized society is run by civilian control. Destiny is not a separate country. Its an extension of assets controlled by the US government

[jelgate]

After a day of debating on GW I came to a simliar conclusion. They were going to form a civilian dictarship. How is that any different? At least the military leaders have experence with survival.

I don't think the cvilian really thought this through. Even if Young ceeded military control to Rush/Wray I don't think the military would have cooperated that well. Look at Justice

[alphawox]

Rush doesn't have a heart. He has a pump in his chest that necessarily moves blood to keep the evil genius brain alive :)

I thought T.J. falling into the hands of the enemy was fortunate for them. When push came to shove, she'd help bind their wounds and get them together, while the military would take the fight to the enemy should they have decided to send over breaching pods once again. Not only do they fence out most of the undesirable military people, but they also get the one they need by pure chance.

[jelgate]

So a open circulatory system like invertebrates? I always thought he was spinless but this is too much:P

Thats a good insight. I did not even consider the postive aspects of having your CMO of your side. Howeve considering the civilians have one gun I don't think much bloodshed was going to occur

[wneleh]

I just find it hard to swallow that all the civilians were going to be against Young and the military. Granted when you have two different ideologies their will be friction but a high ratio this high of civilian mutinies seems quite improbable to me. Do not get me wrong I loved the shock and unpredictability of some of the mutineers but like many TV shows I have to suspend my disbelief once again.

Yeah, this required a big dose of disbelief-suspending. Especially given how closely the civ and military populations live/work/socialize together; that they don't have a particularly strong, popular leader in either Rush or Wray; and that most of them are GOVERNMENT/MILITARY scientists. It's not like they slurped up the random civilians off a college campus!

Its an extension of assets controlled by the US government.

Yeah. They aren't building a civil society here! I just didn't get what they were rebelling *against*, or what they planned to do if they'd won.

I think I know why she lost friends on Earth.I'm surprised the

[jelgate]

That was my thought. Obviously people like Rush and Wray are disatsified with Young in part because of their power grab but I find people like Volkner hard to swallow. He seemed fine with Young in charge.

I think the civilians see Young as this monster who would kill out of annoyance because of what Rush did. But they are only seeing one side of a coin to borrow a certain metaphor.

I think Eli says mostly in the control room and most of them knows he is fine with how Young runs things. I wouldn't call Chloe's friendship with Eli and Scott over but you are right that the two are going to have a hard time trusting her in the future. I don't see the whole Rush and Chloe thing. They just a common tramua.

[carmencatalina]

I think some of the people on Destiny are starting to think they are never getting back, and the thought of being under essentially a military dictatorship (under a leader who is willing to get rid of people without trail) is terrifying them. That was my take on the mutineers' motivations.

The thing that freaked me out the most? Rush starting to come to when they were wrist-deep in his chest. Of all the things I never expected to see on Stargate - vivisection! (Ok, not quite, but still, yikes!)

I don't blame Rush for not telling anyone but Chloe that he had that device in his chest, even though he needed it out as much as anyone.

[jelgate]

But is it really a military dictarship. Civilians working in the military is common in almost any society. And violence should be the last resort.

That was quite disturbing. The last thing I want to see is Robert Cartyle being cut through.

The ironic part is Rush's Greater Good belief would make his sacrifice accpeatable

[carmencatalina]

"The ironic part is Rush's Greater Good belief would make his sacrifice accpeatable."

So true - but he is just plan scared at this point - I think getting left for dead on the planet and then abducted by aliens (and mindprobed/tortured by them?) has pretty much completely freaked him out at this point.

I'm hoping we get to see this actually play out and have lingering effects - none of that "and in this week's episode, Rush is back in fine form!"

Did I mention I enjoyed your review? Very much!

[jelgate]

I'm more cynic. I think the greater good philosphy is a cover to justify his sometimes moral ammbigulatory stances. At the end he does everything for his own interests

Rush is the kind of person who keeps his emotions bottled up to himself. It will be time before we see the massive effects of what that torture scene.

No. But the encouragement is appreciated. I'd like to think they are appreciated considering the work I put into the reviews