Ugh - these two episodes are not living up to what I was expecting.
I'm with you on the whole confusion with the Angels' position. One week we're told that Castiel is having doubts but that he believes in Dean and now we're back to them dangling Hell over his head to get him to do what they want.
Make up your mind!
Maybe Anna really is as bad as they think, maybe she's one of the 66 and by leaving her alive or letting her get into the hands of the demons that's another one broken.
Thing is, I mean, I'm not one of the people who insist that Kripke is a genius. I was closer to thinking JM Straczynski was a genius, and he goofed things up plenty here and there. But I hold out some hope that this WILL make sense in the long run. That whatever/whoever Anna is, we'll understand it -- understand why the push/pull over Dean.
But I'm not feeling very anticipatory over this next ep. As much dread as hope, I admit. I just hope we can ditch Ruby for a while. Hope they don't try to make a martyr-saint out of her in the bargain. She's a gorram DEMON. They need to stop sugar-coating it.
I LIKE your idea about Anna being one of the seals. ::all thinky::
One spoiler says that Dean and Sam do end up understanding why the angels want Anna dead but still try to save her. Which either makes the angels little better than mindless hitmen or the Winchesters incredibly naive. Don't particularly like either scenario there.
Ruby either needs to just go away forever or be revealed as evil incarnate. Dean defending her makes me feel ill.
The clips just depresseed me. What's Kripke been smoking? Is he having a really, really bad day? 'Cause SHOW went from entertaining to nihilistic and joyless in the space of two episodes. Maybe I'll feel better after actually seeing the episode.
Although... Sam really really wants the angels to LIKE him. Because he has this idea of them and God, which Dean hasn't had until very recently. Sam's very morally dubious at the moment, but I believe he knows that, and maybe even regrets it. I think he's more likely to be swayed by the angels than Dean. Because Dean is ALWAYS ALWAYS on the side of the underdog, no matter who it is. And Sam still wants to be godly. Despite everything.
That really doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Either Dean's important or he isn't -- right? If he isn't, then Castiel should never have grabbed onto him in the first place. If he IS, then what's with the recurring threats of perdition? (Man, every TIME I say "perdition" I think of Khan. Heeee.) In "Lazarus Rising" Castiel says, "Because God commanded it. Because we have work for you." Okay, so.... If God commanded it, has He changed His mind? Was there an email update Dean (and we) missed?I think it just comes down to the same old issue, Kripke doesn't know what to do with Dean, how to make him important to the main arc, so he gives him an initial plot more to calm fandom down than anything else, but this is not what he wants, what he knows, he wants to focus on himself, I mean, Sam, so that's whappened. I mean, 'fans wanted Dean to be special, well, see, he is special now!' And then it hits him 'wait, Dean can't be that special, Sam is the real special one, what can I do to diminish Dean's 'specialness
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That really doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Either Dean's important or he isn't -- right? If he isn't, then Castiel should never have grabbed onto him in the first place. If he IS, then what's with the recurring threats of perdition? (Man, every TIME I say "perdition" I think of Khan. Heeee.) In "Lazarus Rising" Castiel says, "Because God commanded it. Because we have work for you." Okay, so.... If God commanded it, has He changed His mind? Was there an email update Dean (and we) missed?
I haven't actually watched the clips, but it makes sense to me. I don't think the Ineffable Plan is about Dean as an important special snowflake who doesn't deserve hell, but it's about him doing something they think only he can do... so if he's not doing it the way they want him to, it would be a pain for them have to sling him back, but if he's not being useful to them up top, he might as well not be useful to them in hell.
Well, I don't necessarily think Dean is special in the way you describe -- and he did deserve Hell, because he made that bargain of his own free will -- but there has to be SOME reason why he was chosen this way. If he is a tool for everyday use, then no -- it appears that he is not fulfilling that function in defying Castiel and Uriel, and so back he could go
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I'm with you on the whole confusion with the Angels' position. One week we're told that Castiel is having doubts but that he believes in Dean and now we're back to them dangling Hell over his head to get him to do what they want.
Make up your mind!
Maybe Anna really is as bad as they think, maybe she's one of the 66 and by leaving her alive or letting her get into the hands of the demons that's another one broken.
The official trailer isn't really giving anything away either.
It's a shame because this season was going pretty much the right way for me, until now.
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But I'm not feeling very anticipatory over this next ep. As much dread as hope, I admit. I just hope we can ditch Ruby for a while. Hope they don't try to make a martyr-saint out of her in the bargain. She's a gorram DEMON. They need to stop sugar-coating it.
I LIKE your idea about Anna being one of the seals. ::all thinky::
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Ruby either needs to just go away forever or be revealed as evil incarnate. Dean defending her makes me feel ill.
The clips just depresseed me. What's Kripke been smoking? Is he having a really, really bad day? 'Cause SHOW went from entertaining to nihilistic and joyless in the space of two episodes. Maybe I'll feel better after actually seeing the episode.
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I hope it'll all make sense next week. ::sigh::
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Sam really really wants the angels to LIKE him. Because he has this idea of them and God, which Dean hasn't had until very recently. Sam's very morally dubious at the moment, but I believe he knows that, and maybe even regrets it. I think he's more likely to be swayed by the angels than Dean. Because Dean is ALWAYS ALWAYS on the side of the underdog, no matter who it is. And Sam still wants to be godly. Despite everything.
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I haven't actually watched the clips, but it makes sense to me. I don't think the Ineffable Plan is about Dean as an important special snowflake who doesn't deserve hell, but it's about him doing something they think only he can do... so if he's not doing it the way they want him to, it would be a pain for them have to sling him back, but if he's not being useful to them up top, he might as well not be useful to them in hell.
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(Dean + Castiel = BFF and EVAR and EVAR....)
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