Orochimaru (and Kabuto in relation to Orochimaru)/Polyjuice Questions

[i_smile]

I've been thinking about Orochimaru pretty heavily for the past, like, two months--in anime club, we're watching the arc with the Gaara-Naruto and the Orochimaru-Sarutobi fights (and, man, if there's anything I want to see more of, it's Orochimaru-Sarutobi interaction). So, correct me if I've contradicted something in canon or forgotten to take

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[biggersandwich]

Re: Polyjuice, it only had to be some kind of body part. Hair is probably just simplest (and possibly least nauseating).

I'd guess that the hair/whatever has to be fairly fresh as well given that fake!Moody needed to keep real!Moody nearby and Dumbledore said it was likely so that he would have a supply of hair (because if you could just shave someone and store their hair then that would have to be easier than keeping them prisoner). Alternatively though, it doesn't have to be really fresh because Crouch's wife was able to use polyjuice for a few months without (presumably) a fresh supply.

[i_smile]

Hm. Maybe it depends on whether the body part was already in the potion, or not? Like, the reaction would happen straight away & the potion would last for longer than the hair, etc., would? I figured that Moody had to be kept by Crouch just so that he knew for sure where he was--but he probably just could have killed him, couldn't he? And if Dumbledore said it was to have fresh hair around, then it's probably not just to keep tabs on him. (I don't see any reason for Dumbledore to lie about that, after all.)

[biggersandwich]

That makes sense. And I think Dumbledore actually said (something like) "He's been cutting off his hair all year" so I assume that fresh hair is at least better because wouldn't it be so much easier to cut it all off at the start and keep it as a potions ingredient?

(Although, on further recollection (it's been a while ^^;;), Dumbledore also said something about Crouch keeping Moody close so he interrogate him about himself for the purpose of [Crouch] keeping in character so there would have been other reasoning too and maybe he didn't want any spare hair lying around in case it was found?)

[i_smile]

Yeah, you'd think so; if you got it all at once, you'd only have to fight him for it that once. Maybe it's like women's eggs: the older the hair gets, the more likely it is that something will go wrong in the change. Like being stuck halfway between the two, like Hermione when she did the cat.

(Oh. There is that, too!)

[mattador]

I think I tend to agree with you about Orochimaru. I don;t think I have any additional insight; but you've nailed him quite well. He's sort of a ninja Isaac Newton or Albert Einstein- he doesn't bother with the concerns of trivial men. he lives in his own, superior world.

So much love for Kabuto.

Polyjuice: I think it's just a part of them that is required, and hair is easier than, you know, a chunk o' flesh.

[i_smile]

Dude, yeah. A ninja murderer Albert Einstein! :D If only the world were willing to see his genius. (They probably will if he ever dies, leaving amazing advances in ninja technology. They'll conveniently forget that it was his experimentation on other ninja that got him that far.)

We'd totally get the flesh chunks if Bellatrix ever Polyjuiced, though. <3.

[mattador]

True

and true.

[naanima]

Funny, the anime club I'm with is currently in the middle of the Sanin/Naruto/Kabuto/Shizune fight, and you know, it is episodes like these that reminds me I have this deep fascination with Kabuto and Orochimaru. Individually, or together, I honestly want to say something more intelligent, except while watching the last few episodes one thought kept on floating through my head.

... Orochimaru can love Kabuto.

It is hard to write down what I mean because all I'm getting are feelings rather than concrete thoughts. It is all about watching Orochimaru watching Kabuto, and my mind whispering Orochima can fall love him. And this lead to my brain going into AU-phase, where it is years into the future, and everything that could go wrong has gone wrong.

Naruto died saving Konoha, which left Sasuke alone and in despair, and giving his body to Orochimaru, and Orochimaru in a Uchiha's body goes on a rampage, killing Itachi, and only able to reach the final Sharingan level because he killed Kabuto, because he did love Kabuto in his own way,

[i_smile]

Ahh I want to go even more now. That was a brilliant fight; we've got a while to go before we're there

[naanima]

You should come someday, just not this Saturday, it is the first Saturday of the month, thus, the screening is not on

[i_smile]

Abolutely not in an abusive way! Dude. They are the only ones they don't really torment. :D (Although there is the scene between Kabuto & hospital-Sasuke, when Kabuto says what he says about its being too bad they're so good that they caught Orochimaru's eye.)

The dynamics between the two relationships are comes across as very different to me; S and O are almost like father and son, while the dynamics between O and K are a bit more complex

Well, that's partly because Orochimaru doesn't have it in him to be a father figure, really. He's not the type. He owns, yes, but he doesn't shape. He pushes, and then he watches; he doesn't guide. I still think there might be a loose parallel there, in the possible deaths. (Because I don't think Orochimaru has it in him to kill Kabuto, but I do think that Kabuto has it in him to kill Orochimaru. If it ever becomes more useful for him to do that than to keep Orochimaru around. <--Kabuto probably loves Orochimaru, too, but he's way colder & more thoughtful, even when angry.) There is way more